UPDATED I have this engraved 1921-D Morgan Dollar.....

SethChandler

It says in the left Obv. field, "2ND DOLLAR RELEASED FROM 1ST 100 EVER COINED AT DENVER MINT THOMAS ANNEAR SUPT".


Anyone know about this?


Seth

Myqqy

Can you get a pic of it?

dthigpen

You should definately sell it to me for $10 so it can be properly researched and cataloged...

DennisH

Seth:

You have something special.

These coins are described in some detail by David Bowers on pages 2686-2687 of his 2-volume "Silver Dollars" encyclopedia. The gist of it is, the first 100 coins struck on May 4 1921 were supposedly held aside and engraved as presentation pieces. The whereabouts of most of them are unknown, however, and it is speculated that only 50 were actually engraved. The State Historical Society of Colorado has coin #1, but coin #2 had not been located as of the writing of Bowers' book in 1992-93. I bet he'd love to hear about it surfacing!

ER

Very cool. Post pic if you can.

fountainheadgold

coinlieutenant

Seth cant post pics...He is pictorially challenged...

ms70

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Tassa

Yes-pictures please.

mgoodm3

Oh yeah, picture necessary.

clackamas

Oh, c'mon you are full of it. a Pic or forever banishment.

ER

LanLord

<< <i>Oh, c'mon you are full of it. a Pic or forever banishment. >>

Tough crowd

ldhair

Someone posted an image of one of these some time back.
I saved the image but have lost it. A really neat coin.

Julian

A colleague of mine, Wm. H. Webber, of Gaithersburg, MD, had made a study of these, and has just confirmed to me that his research shows that the first 2 coins were given to the US Senators for Colorado.

They were then presented to the Colorado School of Mines and the Colorado Historical Society. These 2 coins were NOT engraved. The coin from the CHS was stolen in 1980 and the other coin has also disappeared.

The next 10 coins were engraved, as written above, but were done outside the mint by a Mr. Cowell, of Colo., who received those coins.

They are important, but NOT mint engraving.

We are highly suspicious of a coin having the second coin engraving.

Wolf359

Julian are you saying the story is a myth as everything was produced post-mint?

mhammerman

PIC REQUIRED BEFORE THREAD CAN DIE!

Julian

<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">I do not believe the coins to be a myth.

I believe that the first coins were indeed segregated and, as stated earlier, the first two to the Senators, etc.

I believe that Cowell got ten coins from the original group and had them engraved, outside the mint. No coin has ever been seen with a # greater than 12.

I have no idea if the other 88 coins were retained, or if they were just released with the balance of the mintage.

The engraving states RELEASED FROM 1ST 100 EVER COINED AT DENVER MINT, not that they were struck in that order.

The coins are very desirable and collectable. I remember selling one for over $5000. back in the 80's and I believe that one may bring over $10000., today.

Clearly, if Seth's coin is genuine, it would be worth over 10K.
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mhammerman

WELL, I wonder what one of these would look like?

Wolf359

Thank you Julian. I'd love to own one of these someday...

SethChandler

I was in New York the last few days.......showed it to Andy Lustig. He thinks it is a fake. I was also at Stack's, two guys there thought it was fake, also. Was at the ANS too, but forgot to show it.

Seth

DennisH

Seth:

Bummer. It would have been REALLY neat if that had been a real one. Thanks for the update.

Julian

There are not really many people that have seen any, Seth.

Would you be kind enough to post a picture, if you get a chance.

MrEureka

I was in New York the last few days.......showed it to Andy Lustig.

Right. The lettering on Seth's coin was crudely engraved by hand. Julian, correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing these in the past and I recall the engraved lettering of those pieces was crisp, even and perfect.

tradedollarnut

The one I saw had something like block lettering. Perfect letters, well done engraving.

morgannut2

This looks like a job for the research dept. of our ANA, since they're in Colorado anyway. I'd be suprised if they didn't have a photo or some description of the engraved coins as well as any that might have been contemporaneously hand marked from the first 100 by the mint super. A library Xerox machine is probably close enough for a start, to mail them or some experts here on the boards.

MrEureka

Then again, I could see them starting out with crude engraving on the first few coins, realizing the coins looked horrible, and then changing their methods on subsequent coins. But it's a long shot...

boiler78

Here is a similar coin from the Eliasberg collection just to give you an idea of what the engraving might be like on the "official" 1921-d engraved dollars. Bowers cataloged this as a proof and I thought it fit that description pretty well. Neat item either way.

Shamika

I recall someone around here finding one of these in a dealer's junk box and selling it for a mint (coin humor).