Info on some 2005 sets including Topps Heritage

helionaut

From this week's Previews:
This 440-card base set consists of 385 regular cards featuring veterans, prospects, first year players, two League Presidents, and 16 team cards in the 1956 Topps design, and 110 Short Printed cards, featuring popular rookie and star cards. Look for three different parallel sets, and several inserts, including "New Age Performers" featuring top current players whose performances have eclipsed the giants of the past, "Then and Now" featuring a statistical comparison of a 1956 player vs. a 2004 player, and "Flashbacks." Also look for several different autographed card subsets, and "Cut Signature" cards featuring popular people from 1956 (entertainers, actors, political figures, etc.). 8 cards per pack, 24 packs per box, $3 per pack.

UD is coming out with "Pastime Pennants" which looks like the Yankee pennant product but with various teams. Two autographs and a pennant in every box plus redemptions for Mitchell & Ness jerseys.

Also, Fleer Tradition will be 3 series, 750 cards. Yet another retro edition, it looks like 1954 Dan-Dee.

Stone193

Helio
Thanx for taking the time to provide a preview report. As they try to up the ante on the heritage set, the more resistant I may get to trying to do a Master Set - heck, I never finished my 110 card chrome set!
If I have helped anyone out who would like to donate a chrome here and there please PM me. LOL
Actually, I am serious.
The Fleer Tradition set...have done a basic set in past years - will probably buy a retail box at target just to look at it.
What do you think of the UD product? Over the years, I have lost interest in UD products...especially the 20 - 300$ packs.
Thanx again
your friend
Mike

joestalin

Thanks for the update, Ill have to visit Gerogtown cards to see if there is a checklist up yet. I am still
amazed how topps can ride a good idea into the ground. They struck gold last year by putting cut sigs
on Presidents into topps series 1, but now they seem to think this is what everyone wants. Why try to
get Arod and Piazza's auto that probably cost 50 bucks a pop when you can get some washed up actor
who will sign for 2 bucks a pop.

2001 topps heritage was perhaps the greatest autograph checklist ever! A perfect mix of todays stars
and the greats of 1952. The odds were a heafty 1:152 and yet they were still majorly popular. They have
continued to deviate from that ever since. Granted 56 was a weak year for rookies, I feel that we are going
to get less of the true greats like Snider, Mays and Banks, and more guys who we don't care about like
coaches and umps.

As far as UD and their redemption jerseys.....the last time this was done it was a disaster! If you are ripping
this to pull some 10 dollar Yankee sig then thats ok, but if you are trying to pull real jerseys and auto
jerseys from this product is it worth the months of wait? Will UD actually come through on this or just
sweep it under the rug in a year when no one cares anymore?

Will Fleer put out a huge set and and forget to put on the box that 150 of those cards are short prints? There
are hard sets to put together and then there are HARD sets to put together. Id rather open 100 packs
of heritage than 20 packs of tradition.

Anyone a 1956 pro? I could use some trivia.

JS

pandrews

Kevin,

Where is Georgetown cards?

Stone193

<< <i>Snider, Mays and Banks >>


Kevin
I feel like this is going to my year to breakout! One Snider or Mays please.



<< <i>Anyone a 1956 pro? I could use some trivia. >>


I'm not a pro Kevin, but the 56T Mantle is a favorite of mine along with the 57T.
So, here is what I know about the card:
The 56T set marked the return of the “Mick” to the Topps family where the picture was
actually a portrait. It is the last Mantle card that used artwork instead of a photograph.
Mick's auto is on the bottom within the action painting - so the card is actually a dual image
painted portrait and background.

I'm looking forward to your "hunt for heritage reports" this winter!
your friend
Mike
edit: spell

joestalin

Georgetown is an online store. I actually wasn't impressed with them when I bought cards off their site but
they do have sell sheets up months before products hit. I can't tell how important this is..to know what
you are buying. We should have a checklist at least a month before lift off.

As far as 56. Herb Score will most likely make a debut in the auto set. Aparicio too. Yes that #135 card will
hopefully be paralleled with Arod or some other slugger, but topps is always gun shy about using Mantle
afterall UD owns him. There is still Aaron and of course Teddy Ballgame. Cards one and two will be
presidents of baseball. It seems like all the low numbered cards are the big ones...Look for another
spread out sp list. It will be interesting to see what they do with card 100..Orioles Team and card 95
Braves...variations?

Im being cautious on the 29.99 reatil boxes this year. I loved the stack of sp's I had but when you buy about
30 boxes and hit no autos you have to scratch your head. I might look for a 55/box case or something.

I look forward to trade time! Stone...Did I have any of those chrome you needed?

Kevin

Stone193

<< <i>Did I have any of those chrome you needed? >>


Kevin
I will pull out the stack and make a new checklist. I'm pretty sure I'll have something to trade.
On the 56T Heritage - no Mantle will be very disappointing. And one thing that will stump the newbies - don't just think that the sp's will give you the blues - the commons are not evenly collated IMO - I have a common box that may have 6 or 7 of one card and zero of another. Even if we were to open a case, I think we would have problems.
Are you looking at a hobby pre-orderl? I think 55/box would be my max. Last years boxes are graphically sharp with 24 pks/box and of course 1 topps double header insert/box.
I think one of the quirkiest sp's was the #70 Helton "purple" jersey which eluded a mess of people!
Thanx for asking about my chromes!
your friend
Mike

edit to add: Also Kevin - what do think of UD 2004 SP baseball for about 100$ for 24 packs and you are supposed to net 5 autos from this years USA baseball team?

helionaut

For those interested, Georgetown Card Exchange is GCXOnline.com. Cardmakers send out these 2-6 page brochures and maybe preliminary checklists for most sets and while your local shop may have them if you ask, most just toss them. But GCX scans them and puts them up so everyone can see what they're buying.

I don't think UD will screw up the Mitchell & Ness jersey redemption. When you have to rely on athletes or a grading company and overworked sub-contractors to supply specifically made cards, that's easy to mess up. But M&N is a professional outfit that does a lot of mail order and online sales. They also have inventory built up, so it's just a matter of sending it out. I've been to their retail shop and coveted just about everything there.

BTW, I assume they're talking about significant players for their "entertainment" cut signatures. Thinking about who was big in 1956, you've got Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, Alfred Hitchcoq, James Stewart, Cary Grant, Ed Sullivan, Jackie Gleason, Lucille Ball, Elvis Presley, those kinds of people. In politics, you've got Eisenhower, of course, not to mention a plucky young lawyer from Yorba Linda. I don't think they're digging up Betty Furness for this set. And I don't see them as a focus of the set. Cuts like these have always been so limited that no one would really buy the stuff with serious hopes of pulling one, and I'm guessing these will be the same, maybe 50 cards in the whole run. But if you get one, that's great. As for me, I've yet to pull any kind of autograph out of Heritage in any year.

Are you kidding me, I can't say Hitchcoc with a k?

ctsoxfan

I had forgotten about that site - primarily for the sell sheets, which are great for evaluating a new release. Thanks for the link.

Stone193

<< <i>BTW, I assume they're talking about significant players for their "entertainment" cut signatures >>


Helio
As usual great job...thanx for the link...they have been advertising in SCD forever! On the cut sigs, I want one of "Howdy Doody"