PLEASE HELP! I am shocked!
frankhardy
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I just got an email from a buyer on a very expensive auction. He has accused my of "shill bidding" my auction. He says that I had someone bid my auction way up there at the last second. The auction was from Saturday to Saturday (11-13 to 11-20). He bid over $1725 on Monday. He was the high bidder the entire time. In the last few seconds, a bidder bid it from $900+ to $1725.
Here is a link to the auction.
1959 Topps Partial Set
Here is a copy of his email.
"SHANE, I VE GOTTEN FOUR DIFFERENT EMAILS FROM EBAY USERS STATING THAT THIS
AUCTION WAS CORRUPTED. THAT YOU HAD SOMEONE WHO NEVER BIDS AND IS A DEALER BID
ME WAY UP FROM 900 TO 1700 IN THE LAST SECOND. THAT THIS WAS BID SHILLING.
I THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS REALLY WRONG ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS AUCTION AND
IN NOT GOING TO HONER THE TRANSACTION. I HAVE PERFECT FEEDBACK AND IM NOT A
DEAD BEAT EBAYER BUT THIS WAS WRONG YOU EVEN HAD HIM TRY AND BID ME UP ON THE 55
LOT YOU HAD UP. WHAT YOUR DOING IS WRONG"
Help! What do I do.
I emailed him asking to either call me or email me his phone number so that I can call him.
$1725 may not be a lot of money to some, but it sure is to me. But I would never stoop so low as to have someone else bid up my auctions. I don't need them to. I am pretty confident about what my auctions will bring. Why did he bid so high, if he didn't plan on being willing to pay that. I think he was just ticked that it nearly doubled in the last few seconds.
Why would four different people try to ruin this auction (and my reputation)?
I am really in shock about this. Plus, it has been 2 weeks since the auction has ended, and that is my VERY FIRST EMAIL form him.
HELP!
Here is a link to the auction.
1959 Topps Partial Set
Here is a copy of his email.
"SHANE, I VE GOTTEN FOUR DIFFERENT EMAILS FROM EBAY USERS STATING THAT THIS
AUCTION WAS CORRUPTED. THAT YOU HAD SOMEONE WHO NEVER BIDS AND IS A DEALER BID
ME WAY UP FROM 900 TO 1700 IN THE LAST SECOND. THAT THIS WAS BID SHILLING.
I THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS REALLY WRONG ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS AUCTION AND
IN NOT GOING TO HONER THE TRANSACTION. I HAVE PERFECT FEEDBACK AND IM NOT A
DEAD BEAT EBAYER BUT THIS WAS WRONG YOU EVEN HAD HIM TRY AND BID ME UP ON THE 55
LOT YOU HAD UP. WHAT YOUR DOING IS WRONG"
Help! What do I do.
I emailed him asking to either call me or email me his phone number so that I can call him.
$1725 may not be a lot of money to some, but it sure is to me. But I would never stoop so low as to have someone else bid up my auctions. I don't need them to. I am pretty confident about what my auctions will bring. Why did he bid so high, if he didn't plan on being willing to pay that. I think he was just ticked that it nearly doubled in the last few seconds.
Why would four different people try to ruin this auction (and my reputation)?
I am really in shock about this. Plus, it has been 2 weeks since the auction has ended, and that is my VERY FIRST EMAIL form him.
HELP!
Shane
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Shane
Alway's been great to deal with. I dont know if this will help but it's all i have.
scott
SCOTT
Looks like the bidding pattern of nearly every auction I sell or bid on.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet there were probably a few more last minute snipes
that didn't register because they were between 922.65 and 1700.00, so they didn't get through.
Just plain silly to think there was any shilling on this auction.
Maybe the best thing to do is to offer it to the 2nd highest bidder.
That way you're only out 25 bucks and you avoid a long drawn out bitter hassle.
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
If he doesn't pay, report him to ebay as a NPB and re-list the set. I think he's just trying to get it at a lower price. You're probably better off not dealing with someone like that anyway.
as for the 2nd place bidder who "NEVER BIDS", have the deadbeat bidder look at this page and he'll see otherwise..
PS - Have the deadbeat "winning" bidder look at this forum so he knows he is "ebay ignorant" and needs to learn a few things before he accuses people of shill bidding..
Most importantly, he needs to learn what "Maximum Bid" means..
It is true that the "shill" bid on three of your auctions that day. I guess that might be circumstantial evidence that you were coordinating with him. But, it looks like you've run about 30 auctions in the last month or so, and it looks like the "shill" only bid on those three. If he's really a shill, you should really put him to work more often.
If I were you, I'd try to be very understanding and try to calmly explain what happened and why it is not unusual, even though some facts viewed on their own may look strange.
If he still doesn't believe you, then neg him, offer to the "shill" and don't worry.
Just my view...
<< <i>the buyer is a deadbeat.. point him to this forum and let him read these responses..
as for the 2nd place bidder who "NEVER BIDS", have the deadbeat bidder look at this page and he'll see otherwise..
PS - Have the deadbeat "winning" bidder look at this forum so he knows he is "ebay ignorant" and needs to learn a few things before he accuses people of shill bidding..
Most importantly, he needs to learn what "Maximum Bid" means.. >>
That is just awsome, did you check who the current high bidders are? No way is fairway a schill, actually a serious ebayer what a laugh.
He is an honest and reputable seller.
There is absolutely no evidence that his snipe bid was a shill.
ask him for the 4 emails i bet he is full of crap
sounds like buyers remorse
You have a buyer that doesnt want to pay the amount he put in as a bid. If he didnt want to pay it, he should not have bid it.
I too agree that the 4 emails are non-existent as he picked the wrong person to accuse of shilling. Thats just stupid.
I would report him.
Offer to honor his high bid, even throw in shipping when you combine it with the 55 and 56 lots, and
contact E-Bay for NPB. You will avoid final sale charges from E-Bay, and complete the transaction.
Good luck, Nate
Shane
Fairway54 was the high bidder on my 1969 set. He bid at the last moment as many people do. You are welcome to reference my auction for your non-paying bidder. And he definitely deserves a negative.
Michael
I mean, if you have an NPB filed against you, ebay gives you the chance to pay the seller and avoid a strike against your record, but if the seller has already sold the item...
I like Vargha's idea - put a hit out on him. Better yet, bookmark his account and just let us know when he ever decides to sell. Hee hee hee.
Shane
Anybody want to see the email?
Shane
Shane
he claims you tried to ruin his name? what does he call saying you shill your auctions?
"THIS WAS A PROBLEM BETWEEN YOU AND I NOT BETWEEN YOU,I, AND THE PSA MESSAGE BOARD. WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS VERY WRONG IN MY OPINION AND EMBARRASSING TO ME. YOUR TRYING TO DAMAGE MY NAME AND I ALSO HAVE PERFECT FEEDBACK. I FORWARDED ONE OF THE EMAILS THAT WAS SENT TO ME TO YOU. THE OTHER THREE WERE SHORT EMAILS JUST SAYING YOU WERE SCREWED THESE TWO GUYS TEAMED UP ON YOU, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THIS ONE WAS AT LENGTH AND I KEPT IT TO SEND TO YOU. YOU AND I HAD A PROBLEM BUT YOU'VE BROUGHT THE PSA MESSAGE BOARD INTO THIS. WOW!!!!
NOW YOU CAN GO GIVE ME A NEGATIVE AND DO WHATEVER ELSE YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO DO. I WAS GOING TO CALL YOU, BUT I LEFT FOR A FEW HOURS TO PLAY BALL WITH MY SONS. YOUR PSA MESSAGE BOARD FRIENDS CAN CALL ME ALL THE NAMES THEY WANT BUT IF THEY KNEW ME THEY WOULDNT THINK THESE THINGS ABOUT ME. WHAT WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO? WITHIN AN HOUR AFTER THE AUCTION ENDING I GOT THREE OF THE FOUR EMAILS SAYING THESE THINGS TO ME I WAS ANGRY AND FELT CHEATED AND ANYONE ELSE WOULD OF FELT THE SAME TOO. YOU WILL PROBABLY PUT THIS ON THE EBAY MESSAGE BOARD ALSO BECAUSE YOU CANT HANDLE DEALING WITH A PROBLEM ON YOUR OWN BUT THATS OK NOW. SINCE YOUVE ALREADY DONE YOUR DAMAGE TO MY NAME. DONT EMAIL OR CALL ME BECAUSE NOW IM REALLY DONE WITH THIS SITUATION AND YOU WONT BE GETTING A DIME FROM ME"
By the way, if you will notice, I have not "BAD MOUTHED" him at all - not on these boards or in emails. I leave that up to y'all
Also, Fairway54 wants to take me up on the $1700 offer and me shipping it for free
I have filed a NPB with Ebay. When I send Fairway54 a "second chance offer", what will happen to the NPB?
Shane
And I agree with everyone who has called this bidder a moron. A snipe from a dealer who buys lots such as this for breakup (and probably grading on some cards) pushed up his bid, and he can't seem to handle it. Considering the nature of the cards he bids on, I'm surprised he hasn't dealt with fairway54.
Interestingly, he has purchased from a LOT of board members.
Nick
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<< <i>Interestingly, he has purchased from a LOT of board members. >>
To me it looks like the guy got bad input and acted without thinking...that's all he had to do is email and ask for a telephonic review of the transaction...considering the amount of money involved, that doesn't seem unreasonable...hell it took me two weeks to buy a new VCR once! This could have been resolved and then, if the guy had "buyer's regrets," he could have voiced it for proper resolution.
I hope he takes the time to read this thread...he made a mistake and it could have easily been fixed.
I think Frank has handled this well and has not dropped a dime on this guy IMO. He just asked for support and advice. The guy's good name is still intact IMO, if he wants. But he has to fess up - he badmouthed two people without any evidence.
your friend
Mike
edit: spell like a third grader
He placed his maximum bid and won the auction. He deserves a neg!
I'm glad Fairway54 accepted the offer to buy the lot that this loser refused to pay for. It was nice of you to offer the free shipping.
How anyone can claim that one bid placed close to end of the auction (like most all SMART bidders practice) from a reputable eBayer with a lots of feedback is a shill is simply ridiculous. If I was an eBay seller who read this thread, I would go ahead and place this losers user ID on my "Blocked Bidder" list--just on principle alone.
I noticed this guys feedback shows 29 of his last 35 feedbacks were from the same seller--yet he believes he was shilled by Fairway54 just because Fairway54 bid on 3 of your autions? Jeez--is he a hypocrite too?
He can bid on many auctions from the same seller, but anyone else bidding on more than one from the same seller is a shiller?
<< <i>He can bid on many auctions from the same seller, but anyone else bidding on more than one from the same seller is a shiller? >>
Akbar
Excellent point!
your friend
Mike
Buyer's remorse on his part shouldn't translate to a problem for you.
grammer edit
<< <i>He placed his maximum bid and won the auction. He deserves a neg! >>
Simple as that. As many others already said, it seems he is upset he wasn't able to grab the lot from you for much, much less. Too bad for him, but you should only bid what you really can afford to pay, and be prepared to pay your max bid once in a while.
<< <i>I'm glad Fairway54 accepted the offer to buy the lot that this loser refused to pay for. >>
Me too. At least your story has a happy ending.