Will Bernie Williams be a Hall of Famer?
Gemmy10
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I say he will, especially in light of this day and age of steroids, he is the real deal:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willibe02.shtml
Black Ink: Batting - 4 (392) (Average HOFer ~ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 61 (390) (Average HOFer ~ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 46.4 (94) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 140.0 (85) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.
Awards
1996-ALCS MVP
1997-AL-GG-OF
1998-AL-GG-OF
1999-AL-GG-OF
2000-AL-GG-OF
Batting Average
1997-.328-4
1998-.339-1
1999-.342-3
2002-.333-3
He owns several Post-Season records also.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willibe02.shtml
Black Ink: Batting - 4 (392) (Average HOFer ~ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 61 (390) (Average HOFer ~ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 46.4 (94) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 140.0 (85) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.
Awards
1996-ALCS MVP
1997-AL-GG-OF
1998-AL-GG-OF
1999-AL-GG-OF
2000-AL-GG-OF
Batting Average
1997-.328-4
1998-.339-1
1999-.342-3
2002-.333-3
He owns several Post-Season records also.
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On the link you provided, I think the answer to the question is listed right on that same page, where they mention similar batters...
Bob Johnson, Reggie Smith, Fred Lynn, Bobby Bonilla, Dave Parker, Will Clark, Luis Gonzalez... these guys have similar regular season stats... not HOF calibur though. And I don't think the WS stats should be enough to push him over the top when he's in the same pool as these guys, and he has won only one significant award - batting title in 1998.
Sabermetrics say differently.
You know I back the Yankee players, but I try to be objective. Bernie already surpassed Mattingly on the Hall Monitor. He is in the top 100 players of all time according to the Bill James number crunching method known as sabermetrics.
He would definately be considered, but he needs a longer career. I mean, his black ink numbers are just not there. We can argue that it is due to the steroid users nabbing up all the accolades. That is true. But then his gray ink numbers need to continue for a few more years. Bernie had an injury season last year, so he needs to make up some time.
He needs to stay injury free, remain on the Yankees, use the DH spot a little more just to help him rest here and there, and then we can expect him to hit .300 and surpass the 100RBI mark.
The black ink is harder to come by in modern baseball because of more teams (more players to compete with), so that can be forgiven. He is a post season hero. His career totals are just starting to show HOF numbers.
All in all, he has a shot, but its not a shoe in. He needs to keep up the good work. We both saw Mattingly and how he cut his career short-- that did not help him in the BBWAA voting. This new steroid scandel should help players like Bernie, Mattingly, Cone, Sandberg, Jeter, Posada, Rivera.....even Glavine and Smoltz. So, lets hope for the best.
By the way, I should know this but what is Bernie Williams best rookie card? How about his second and third? I lose track in 90's cards.
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I agree Bernie is borderline but as far as the Black Ink Test this is what baseball-reference.com says "This method penalizes more recent players as they have 14-16 teams per league, while the older players had just 8." I agree.
Fred Lynn dominated a little better in a MUCH more difficult era to dominate in, and he was a better CF. Reggie Smith also was better.