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Will Bernie Williams be a Hall of Famer?

I say he will, especially in light of this day and age of steroids, he is the real deal:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willibe02.shtml


Black Ink: Batting - 4 (392) (Average HOFer ~ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 61 (390) (Average HOFer ~ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 46.4 (94) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 140.0 (85) (Likely HOFer > 100)

Overall Rank in parentheses.

Awards
1996-ALCS MVP
1997-AL-GG-OF
1998-AL-GG-OF
1999-AL-GG-OF
2000-AL-GG-OF

Batting Average
1997-.328-4
1998-.339-1
1999-.342-3
2002-.333-3

He owns several Post-Season records also.

Comments

  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    I hope so.. i've collected Bernie cards for a while..
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  • DirtyHarryDirtyHarry Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭
    I am a Bernie fan. I think he needs to stay with the Yanks and continue to put up numbers for another 3-4 years. Right now, I think he is in the class of semi-stars like Dawson, Murphy, Mattingly, Sandberg who are HOF caliber but always on the edge in comparison.
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  • A761506A761506 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    No chance. He's not HOF calibur. A much better argument could be made for guys like McGriff and Palmiero, and I don't think either of them really deserve enshrinement.

    On the link you provided, I think the answer to the question is listed right on that same page, where they mention similar batters...
    Bob Johnson, Reggie Smith, Fred Lynn, Bobby Bonilla, Dave Parker, Will Clark, Luis Gonzalez... these guys have similar regular season stats... not HOF calibur though. And I don't think the WS stats should be enough to push him over the top when he's in the same pool as these guys, and he has won only one significant award - batting title in 1998.
  • << No chance. He's not HOF calibur.>>

    Sabermetrics say differently.
  • He's a very good, steady, quiet, player - one who doesn't get the negative headlines. But HOFer; no, I don't think so.
    Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.

  • Sabermetrics say differently.
  • DirtyHarryDirtyHarry Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭
    Gemmy - Sabermetrics does not elect HOF'ers. I give him his due, but defler to previous comment 3-4 years similar stats needed for consideration. Regards.
    Proud of my 16x20 autographed and framed collection - all signed in person. Not big on modern - I'm stuck in the past!
  • I would vote him in, along with Edgar...
    Am I speaking Chinese?



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  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    Gemmy,

    You know I back the Yankee players, but I try to be objective. Bernie already surpassed Mattingly on the Hall Monitor. He is in the top 100 players of all time according to the Bill James number crunching method known as sabermetrics.

    He would definately be considered, but he needs a longer career. I mean, his black ink numbers are just not there. We can argue that it is due to the steroid users nabbing up all the accolades. That is true. But then his gray ink numbers need to continue for a few more years. Bernie had an injury season last year, so he needs to make up some time.

    He needs to stay injury free, remain on the Yankees, use the DH spot a little more just to help him rest here and there, and then we can expect him to hit .300 and surpass the 100RBI mark.

    The black ink is harder to come by in modern baseball because of more teams (more players to compete with), so that can be forgiven. He is a post season hero. His career totals are just starting to show HOF numbers.

    All in all, he has a shot, but its not a shoe in. He needs to keep up the good work. We both saw Mattingly and how he cut his career short-- that did not help him in the BBWAA voting. This new steroid scandel should help players like Bernie, Mattingly, Cone, Sandberg, Jeter, Posada, Rivera.....even Glavine and Smoltz. So, lets hope for the best.

    By the way, I should know this but what is Bernie Williams best rookie card? How about his second and third? I lose track in 90's cards.
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  • Deutscher,

    I agree Bernie is borderline but as far as the Black Ink Test this is what baseball-reference.com says "This method penalizes more recent players as they have 14-16 teams per league, while the older players had just 8." I agree.

  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    gemmy that jeter picture is about as annoying as another guy that post on here! guy keeps showing the damn cowboys lombardis!
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    I agree. Let's plug this old classic one in instead:

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  • Lets look at Bernie's dominance....Zero top five finishes in slugging. Three top five in OB%. One top five in OPS, three top tens. That falls short of what his contemporaries have done, and that isn't hall of fame status. He has some decent numbers, but he is certainly on the decline.

    Fred Lynn dominated a little better in a MUCH more difficult era to dominate in, and he was a better CF. Reggie Smith also was better.
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