Bonds needs to be banned from baseball AND the Hall of Fame.
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The commissioner needs to send a message that cheaters are not welcome !
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Suspend him for the 2005-2008 season.
The key is to have the players union step up and allow mandatory drug testing for all. If they dont, there is nothing the owners or commissioner can do.
<< <i>Bonds needs to be banned from baseball AND the Hall of Fame. >>
There you have it folks............this will solve everything. If this happens everything from now on will be hunky-dory in baseball land.
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I agree 100%.
Donald Fehr and the union have not represented their
players well by allowing them to cheat.
It hurts those guys who are trying to make a living by
playing by the rules.
The blame should be 100% on the union heads on this one.
If they would have a 1 strike and your out rule, then we would never be here.
LONG LIVE BABE RUTH !
MLB's subtance abuse program is WEAK. A single vioation will result in nothing but a slap on the wrist.
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LONG LIVE BABE RUTH ! >>
???????
<< <i>The commissioner needs to send a message that cheaters are not welcome !
what I am reading,
Bonds said that he may have taken
or used these substances without knowing
it was steriods...
Giambi admitted flatout that he did it on purpose
(and the yankees are already trying to dump his contract)
so I am thinking it is just Jason we should crucify at this point.
Either way, Bonds, like McGwire's andro or Sosa's cork,
should have a chance to correct any possible mistake from this point on.
BKAH you continue to look bonds' steroid use as it didn't really happen...you NEED TO WAKE UP.
<< <i>You are an ignorant fool if you believe for a second that bonds uses or takes ANYTHING without knowing EXACTLY what it does. >>
I agree.
BKAH,
You either think Bonds is a complete idiot (If so you need to quit immediately as the prez of his fan club).
or
You are a dumb guy.
Me, I think Bonds is a lying sack of $hit. He knows.... oh yah he knows what he's been doing all along.
Thank goodness the juice didn't help him catch that ball against the Angels in the World Series. I am
glad that doodie head got no rings!
aconte
I hope everyone spits on his cards and he is blackballed out of the game.
Good riddance, bonds.
<< <i>You are an ignorant fool if you believe for a second that bonds uses or takes ANYTHING without knowing EXACTLY what it does.
BKAH you continue to look bonds' steroid use as it didn't really happen...you NEED TO WAKE UP. >>
I never said I did or did not believe him.
and today did not say he never did anything...
I just stated the fact that we only really
know what we know. Period.
You and others can "speculate and hypothosize"
all you want, but fact is, you do not KNOW anything...
but you THINK you know everything.
there is a big difference.
My question now, is IF he did do this (regardless of how it happened),
how exactly is it different that McGwire' Andro scandal
or Sosa's Cork scandal.
They are shown as known cheaters but I have never
heard anyone call for their heads?
(and big mac was even know as a "jerk" to fans...
which seems to the be main thing Bonds has done
wrong in his career....)
P.S. Andro was legal when Big Mac used it ... and I agree - Sosa is a joke too. At least he spent this past year showing what a bad player he actually is.
<< <i>P.S. Andro was legal when Big Mac used it .... >>
do you know what Bonds is supposed to have taken?
and is it "Illegal" according to MLB?
Agreed.
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Anabolic steroids are not illegal in MLB. That is fact. I am not saying its good or bad.
Bonds cannot be banned from baseball. You don't have to like it, but that is just how the facts are stacked right now.
I think maybe what we thought was the juiced ball era is actually just the juiced muscle era. Guys like Gregg Jefferies should not have retired. Jefferies thought that the hit and run player was obsolete and thought he needed to retire. He was wrong. The hit and run guy was most likely legal, but the big bopper who gained 40 lbs of muscle in 2 years was juiced up and unfair to the competition.
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Big Mac's body transformation was on a bigger scale than Bonds, he was a bean pole in '87, I highly doubt all he took was andro.
Delta sig chi 4, why not ban SOSA, Bagwell, Clemens, Sheffield ect. ect. and about 50% of the rest of MLB players then?
<< <i>Anabolic steroids are illegal without a doctor's prescription. So they are illegal in Major League Baseball. >>
actually they are not.
or were not until very recently.
just like doing cocaine did not
disqualify you even though it too is
an illegal drug. (ask Strawberry)
and for this you can thank the Players Union.
<< <i>Delta sig chi 4, why not ban SOSA, Bagwell, Clemens, Sheffield ect. ect. and about 50% of the rest of MLB players then? >>
because they "like" those guys...
this witch hunt is only designed to
get Bonds (because they all hate him)
and no one else.
A good example is that Sheffield and Bonds said the same thing
(that whatever they used, FROM THE SAME TRAINER, they were
told and believed it was non-steroidal, legal substances)
and people say "well, Bonds is lying, but poor Sheffield is innocent".
Proof that it is a conspiracy just to bring down One man.
**(jason giambi was just too stupid to keep his mouth shut
and so he too will go down as a result.)
Again Im in full agreement with you.
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<< <i>Bonds deserves more of a punishment...
Ban him from the sport and give him a prison sentence. >>
for what exactly?
Accidently using steroidal products?
seems a bit stiff of a penalty for admitting that you
were being tricked by your trainer.
Fact is, you might THINK that he is lying,
but there is no proof he is lying.
and they are not going to kick him or Sheffield
out of the game for admitting doing something
that they say they did not even realize were steriods.
you need to get over it.
<< <i>Accidently using steroidal products? >>
Only an accident if you believe the liar.
I say ban them all especially Mr. Potato Head.
aconte
Answer this question:
DO you truly believe that Bonds has not been taking steroids for the past few years?
Barry Bonds is a liar, a racist, and a cheater.
<< <i>DO you truly believe that Bonds has not been taking steroids for the past few years?
Barry Bonds is a liar, a racist, and a cheater. >>
that is my point
( and I seem to keep having to repeat it
because you and aconte are a little dense...)
It does not matter what I think
or what You guys think...
they are NOT going to ban a guy from
Baseball (bonds, sheffield or whoever)
based solely on the possiblity
that he might be lying about taking
steriods without realizing it.
they just are not.
Now, if they are able to PROVE that he did it
on purpose, then maybe they would ban him,
but they don't. In fact, the Only reason they
have any thing at all as it stands now, is that
Bonds TOLD them himself.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but they will not ban
anyone because "they think he lied"
or "surely he had to know..."
or "wow, his head is sure big..."
that is just silly.
<< <i>DO you truly believe that Bonds has not been taking steroids for the past few years? >>
He said he did use
what cream and clear liquid that
his friend/trainer gave him, that he did not know
had steriods in it, but it turns out that
they did.
And in the absence of other facts,
I will choose to believe him.
you will choose to believe otherwise, but remember,
It does not matter what I think
or what You guys think...
they are NOT going to ban a guy from
Baseball (bonds, sheffield or whoever)
based solely on the possiblity
that he might be lying about taking
steriods without realizing it.
they just are not.
I'm not dense.
I just stating the facts as I know them to be and what may eventually be known by all. It won't be
new to me. I've always thought Bonds and others were juicing up their home run totals.
What you think as being dense is actually an indifferent attitude....
Basically, I could give two $hits what is going on with baseball. What's done is done and I can't change
a thing. The mess has been made so we must go on. Maybe if the Phillies can fire Ed Wade and somehow
get their own Mr. Potato Head I'll get a better attitude. But as long as the Phils continue to be average
and the other so called stars smear the game I'll just sit back in the 700 level and wait for something
good to happen.
aconte
<< <i>BKAH,
I'm not dense.
I just stating the facts as I know them to be >>
well you just did it again.
Showing yourself as being Dense (again)
by statements as facts that are actually NOT facts!
and THAT (again) is my point.
you are stating your OPINION that he is lying when
he says he did not know there were steriods in the
products he used.
or
you are stating your OPINION that you think he used
drugs to enhance his hr totals,
but since the only FACTS on this exist for now in what
Bonds admitted Under Oath
(He said he did not know that the cream and clear liquid that
his friend/trainer gave him had steriods in them.)
then the to say he is a Liar
or that you "know" he knew about the cream/clear,
or that you "can tell by his big head"
or "see he got bigger over the years"
are ALL just speculation, and personal opinion...
NOT FACTS