Report: Giambi testified he used steroids, human growth hormone
Snowball
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It is about time.
Congrats Jason. Lyle Alzado died from the stuff.
Bonds and his people are a disgrace to this disgaceful sport. The commish should take his head out of
his arse so he can realize the mess in front of him.
aconte
<< <i>Perhaps Mr. Bonds will be as brave as Jason.
Congrats Jason. Lyle Alzado died from the stuff. >>
Prove it. Some idiots never learn
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<< <i>Don't worry, we'll be getting the "but steroids doesn't improve your hand-eye coordination" nonsense >>
Right on Joker........absolute nonsense! What does hand-eye coordination have to do with anything in MLB anyway?!?!?!? Just take the 'roids and whamo - instant success with the numbers! How much easier can it get?!?!?
BOTR
<< <i>Steroids do help your eyesight >>
Great.....I can finally get rid of my glasses and contact lenses! Yipee!!
BOTR
Simple question: do you agree that steroid use in MLB = cheating?
his night shift at taco bell, Barry would be here defending him!
Even though both probably have shrivled up raisins for balls, Jason will always have bigger stones than Bonds!
Bonds is a sissy who needed to cheat to beat old whitey Babe Ruth. The guy is nothing without his juice, we all
know that...well most of us!
JS
<< <i>simple question - do you agree that steroid use in MLB = cheating? >>
simple answer - yes I do, along with sign stealing, corked bats, deliberate scuff marks, cocaine, the phantom double-play, Black Sox scandal, on-field gambling, etc. Cheating is cheating my friend or does it need to be neatly catagorized?
A better question: To what percentage or degree do you owe Bonds' MVP's and records to if indeed he is found guilty? 0%, 5%, 50%, 80% 99%, 100%? Isn't it odd that he's still putting up huge numbers AFTER these allegations were made public? Do you think he's still 'doing' it undetected? And isn't it odd that Giambi's talent and physical condition has deteriated rather quickly - why is this not happening to Bonds? If both are guilty of using it (and we all know, or supposedly know, the side effects), why is Bonds running strong while others have 'fallen'?
The so-called experts never seem to have answers to these questions. If Bonds is proven guilty or admits to such, yes I will be disappointed and his name will have that 'tarnished' feel. But to credit all he has done from an on-field performance standpoint to steriod usage is just plain ignorant and uninformed.
BOTR
ps) Joe, stick to where your talent is - loser TB Buc's football
<< <i>Cheating is cheating my friend or does it need to be neatly catagorized? >>
Nope - we are in total agreement that cheating is cheating, period. I appreciate your straightforward response to the question.
<< <i>But to credit all he has done from an on-field performance standpoint to steriod usage is just plain ignorant and uninformed. >>
I'm definitely not saying that - in my opinion, he was well on his way to HOF status before he started taking steroids. To me, that's the unfortunate irony of the situation. He didn't need any performance enhancers, as he was already incredibly gifted and talented. Because cheating is cheating, the issue of "how much did the cheating actually help" is moot. As long the impact of steroids on his accomplishments was greater than 0, then it's hard to see how anyone can justify keeping his records intact.
<< <i>He didn't need any performance enhancers, as he was already incredibly gifted and talented. Because cheating is cheating, the issue of "how much did the cheating actually help" is moot. >>
J73,
For me this is the most discomforting realization, if indeed usage is true. My opinion in watching Bonds his entire career is that in 2000/01 he gravitated to a new dimention or level - much like Tiger did in 2000. No other player is on this level either at this time. And in reaching this new level, after decades of baseball knowledge and wisdom, pitchers and managers were somewhat in disbelief that he was so consisent at the plate, and continued to pitch to him anyway, figuring at some point to capitalize on the Barry of old. I would have done the same, thinking this was some kind of fluke or a 'streak' that surely would come to an end soon. The reality is that his current 'streak' is now discussed in years and not days, weeks, or months. This was not the 'streaky' Barry of old, but a batter box presence that seemed, and is so today, to be on auto-pilot. People continue to bash his 73 homer season as proof of 'usage'. To that I say bullsheet!
You can look at it and say that 'juice' is responsible (if indeed so), to which I say is irresponsible. Or as I've stated above.
In summary, he's got talent and knowledge far greater than most, but if usage is true, where will the line be drawn on his accomplishments......?????? I dunno........
Understand too I'm not one to say 'guilty' without knowing all the facts. Everybody here seems to know all the facts (choke and puke). Yes, it walks like a duck, acts like a duck, etc. but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But like I said earlier, if proven so, I will be very disappointed.
BOTR
<< <i>The Roids sure did help Giambi earn a one way ticket to the Hall of Fame. >>
They're called performance enhancers, not performance creators. I could shoot up every day and twice on Sundays and I'd still never hit a home run in a MLB park. That doesn't change the fact that steroid users in MLB are cheaters, plain and simple, no matter if they are .200 hitters or HOF material.
If you're still confused, it's probably because your position is untenable
Actually steroid usage destroys the clarity of your eyesight by devascularizing the lens of the eye.
Most doctors have known how deadly anabolic steroid usage is since at least 1986 when Dr. Bob
Goldman published his book, "Death in the Locker Room". This is a must-read for anyone contemplating
steroid usage.
Personally, I would enjoy all sports a lot more if the performers were drug free.
Golf may be the only sport that is mostly free of "performance enhancing" crap.
Dr. Steve
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I think you need to be aware that all sports are on a fair playing field as at least 85% of all ATHLETES are doing whatever it takes to get to that bottom line deal ...PERFORMANCE MATTERS MOST.
<< <i>are doing whatever it takes >>
As long as that doesn't include taking banned substances, then we are in agreement ...