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1987 Topps Bonds

softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
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The printing defect on the back, 1/3 of the "three" in the card number missing. Anyone know how widespread this was in this card?
All 13 cards of mine have this defect and I won't have them graded because of it. A waste I suppose. Will this make this card much more desirable than it is now? Given the billions upon billions that were probably printed ....

ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

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    wlf3wlf3 Posts: 356
    i think they all had that problem... i've not seen one without.
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought that there were cards out there without that defect. Seems kind of silly to give a 10 to a card with a defect.

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

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    jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    I have a flip box of about 45 Bonds 1987 Topps #320. Every one of them has the lower tip of the "3" missing. I'm pretty sure that the other 5 that I had graded and sold were the same way.
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    boggs301012boggs301012 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭
    It is a printing variation, it wont take the card down a grade unless it affects the overall eye appeal. BTW mine has the three.


    JAmes
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought this was a variation. Anyway, I still wonder if this keeps the card from being a PSA 10. Anyone have a 10 with
    the shaved 3 ? I understand the eye appeal factor, BUT should this card really be a 10 with the variation?

    boggs301012 - do you mean that you have a "FULL 3" card ??

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

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    MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭
    All of mine have the "shaved" 3 - can anybody show a scan of the "unshaved" 3?
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    Mark (amerbbcards)


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    boggs301012boggs301012 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭
    99% let me look through them ...were are they .....looking.......................................




    James
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    DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    That card is do over printed. I know that's an understatement.

    Minor defects on 80's cards exist, and some are not even awknowledged in the Beckett, nor do they make a price difference. The 1984 Donruss Don Mattingly rookie card has the word "training" mispelled in the back. They are all like that and it has bever been corrected.

    I don't own a topps Barry Bonds rookie card, so I was unaware of this. It sounds like this is an inherent feature of this particular card, so go ahead and send it to PSA if all else is sharp.

    There is a 1988 Topps Mark McGwire Record Breaker card out in which one version has a white speck near his foot. Its hardly noticeable and really no big deal in terms of eye appeal, yet this error is documented and sold as a premium. Some errors are deemed rare, while others are just irrelevent--its all just arbitrary.

    One thing is weird though. One of the most significant cards of the 80's, the Mattingly rookie from donruss, has an embarrassing spelling error without being corrected. I mean he was a highly touted rookie when he came up, so one would think companies would take special care and attention of how they design that card. I mean, the Griffey rookie of Upper Deck was numbered 1 purposely because he was a highly touted rookie. Special attention was given in designing his card.
    "So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve

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    boggs301012boggs301012 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭
    Still looking...


    Yes the 88 topps ahs a Boggs variration aswell , on the AS version he has a white smudge On his facial hair.


    James
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Special attention was given in designing his card.


    and special attention was also given in making sure that plenty extras were made for the honchos at ud too......
    Good for you.
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    MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭


    << <i>...88 topps ahs a Boggs variration aswell... >>



    James, do you have the right fingers on your hands?image
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
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    jaxxrjaxxr Posts: 1,258 ✭✭
    88 Topps has several "varations" which are documented as such per Beckett ;

    The Mac card as mentioned before, Eddie Murray has two two diff. record breaker cards, Al Leiter has two picture versions, a checklistcard has a different player(s) on one particular number on the list, K Comstock has a "white letter " version and a regular one. I dont have my Beckett handy so this is not as detailed as could be.

    The mass production may still yeild a small challange in getting mint or gem mint copies of all variations. And who knows, perhaps in ten or more years we may wish we bought up some of the unopened material which is now quite cheap !

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    MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭
    The '87 Topps cards had a number of variations in the All Star cards as well -
    with and without trademarks in the upper left corner:

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    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
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    DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    MorrellMan,

    I like those Mattingly cards. I have ONE. I did not know about that variation. COOL! I wanted to know about this. I like collecting Mattingly.
    "So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve

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    Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    On the Bonds, I picked up a 700 ct. box of them during the "brick" days of modern card buying - if memory serves me, I probably paid about 50 cents a piece. All of the cards have the same 3.
    I know...I've got too much time on my hands tonite! Wife picked a friend up at the airport and they are going out for dinner.

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    Mark
    That no trade mark Mattingly is worth 3x on the regular issue! Get that sucka slabbed!LOL

    your friend
    Mike
    Mike
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    MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Mark
    That no trade mark Mattingly is worth 3x on the regular issue! Get that sucka slabbed!LOL

    your friend
    Mike >>



    So we're talking, like, 75 cents instead of 25 cents?

    you only posted 37 cards....what about the other 643?image

    yf
    Mark
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
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    wlf3wlf3 Posts: 356
    the 87Topps' Mattingly and Gooden AS cards have the trademark variation... as did the Urbano Lugo card... also there's a variation on the Ray Soff and Joe Niekro with the sheet lettering location on the backs. that's the 87T variations. image

    BTW I need a new Soff from my master set... if anyone has one.
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    DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    Mike,

    I hope those Bonds cards were in sleeves before you spread them out Las Vegas style on the scanner. I cringe whenever I see handling of raw cards. They should all be in penny sleeves from Ultra Pro Platinums to offer some reasonable protection.

    "So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve

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    Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,351 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>you only posted 37 cards....what about the other 643? >>


    image
    Mike
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    Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,351 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They should all be in penny sleeves from Ultra Pro Platinums to offer some reasonable protection. >>


    DG
    You are so correct! I have a crappy attitude towards these cards that I bought for quarters...not even sure what the card is worth? 2-3 bucks?
    Tell you what....as long as I have the box out, I will go thru them and pick out all the ones that even look like 9's and slap a sleeve around them. God, Bonds has really "beefed" up since these pics were taken.
    Thanx
    your friend
    Mike
    Mike
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    DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    Now I caused Mike to spend hours and hours searching through Bonds cards and putting them in sleeves.image

    "So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve

    BST: Tennessebanker, Downtown1974, LarkinCollector, nendee
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    MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Now I caused Mike to spend hours and hours searching through Bonds cards and putting them in sleeves.image >>


    Sounds like fun to me.image

    "God, Bonds has really "beefed" up since these pics were taken."

    imageimage
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
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    Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,351 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"God, Bonds has really "beefed" up since these pics were taken." >>


    Mark
    Let's see Bowflex or Roids...you make the call on Bonds.

    imageimage

    Now Stargell...hmmm....probably:

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    Mike
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

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