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The Top 10 Lincoln Cents

1) 1969 s DDO PCGS ms 65 red- I have already turned down $200,000 for this coin
2) 1919 ms 69 red - This has to be the most valuable P mint because there is no Fuc-en way PCGS will grade an early wheat cent ms 69 red
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10 1955/55 ms 65 red

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  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1992-D Close AM MS It's in the Red Book, but there's only one graded in 64 at PCGS, one at NGC in 65.


    1990 w/o S PR69 Total PCGS pop 50, 11 at 69; only one in 69 at NGC.

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  • Nothing comes into the top 3 at least, until you place the 1943 Copper cents. I'm sorry, Stewie. They are Lincoln Cents you know.

    1) 1943 D Copper, Sold for $212,000 less than 2 years ago.
    2) 1943-S Copper. Sold to private collector for much more than the $161,000 ANR final hammer in early March.
    3) 1943 Nicest P, $180,000 is what I offered. Couldn't find the owner at first. Later was told too low an offer...




    10) No way 1955 DDO MS65RD. Too many others above it worth more than $30,000... For example, ALL the 1909-s VDB 67RD's worth more....
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  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭
    If I were in position to acquire the finest looking business strike Lincoln wheat cent, it would be Stewart's 1919 MS 69 Red. I've only seen the scan, but that is SOME coin. If the basis of this Top 10 is what 10 Lincoln cents would bring the most MONEY at auction, I would again think it would be the 1919 that Stewart owns. Why? Because it is the only Lincoln wheat cent graded MS 69 by EITHER PCGS or NGC. Different collectors have different goals, but surely this coin has special appeal BECAUSE it is a regular issue from over 80 years ago and it was NOT a "misstake" coin. Stewart, IMHO, someday, someone will offer you a million dollars for that coin. Steveimage



  • My (O'K, it's really Gerry's) 1919-S in 66RD is probably on the list around #7 or #8.

    Jack




  • And yes, I agree with Lloyd. The 43 coppers should be on the list and there are too many other Top Lincolns for a 55 DDO to be in the top 10.

    Jack
  • Take away the error coins, then what would you say: (No 1943 Cop or 1922 NO D and No 1969 DD)
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  • haletjhaletj Posts: 2,192
    The best known red 26-s would be #1 on my list. I've never seen pictures of the lone ms65rd, nor pictures of Stewart or Gerry's 26-s's, so I have no idea what the coin would look like. I'm not big on varieties (or proofs) so I'll make a list of my favorite 10 business strikes.

    1) 1926-s the best one
    2) 1914-d ms66rd
    3) 1920-s ms65rd (2nd toughest S imo)
    4) 1924-s ms65rd (or 25-s or 23-s all interchangeably tough!)
    5) 1919 ms69rd
    6) 1924-d ms66rd
    7) 1918-d ms67rd (can't believe one is graded so high of this tough date!)
    8) 1917-s ms66rd (ditto)
    9) 1919-s ms66rd (another ms66 S!)
    10) 1909-s vdb ms67rd
  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    wHAT ABOUT A 1914 pROOF 68 RED lINCOLN?

    If a 1914 ms 67 red brought $43,000 then a 1911 ms 68 red will bring $100,000?

    A 1914 s in ms 66 red brought $90,000

    How about a `1909 VDB in Proof 67 red?

    LLOYD - I believe my 1969 s DDO in ms 65 red will bring more than any 1943 copper cent IMO

    stewart
  • How about James McDermott's (well not his any more) 1915 Lincoln on a gold planchet?

    1958 Doubled Die?

    1959D Wheat back (ok, only if it is real)
  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭
    Laura

    Believe it or not there are a handful of guys out there that can pay close to or more than $100,000 for a Lincoln.Unlike your non disclosures
    There is Lloyd Mincy,joshua,David Halls customer (who bought a 14 s for $90,000 recently),Andy's Skrabalaks secret customer,Laurens Lincolns and a few others.
    I did not mention your buddy from the Philly area.
    Perhaps you should sell more Lincolns !!!!!!

    Now who is the mystery Barber person ??????

    Lord Master Stewart
  • I'd pay a lot for the TEEN year high pop lincolns only, but even then, you never know if MORE will show up, which will hurt the values... The NEW 1909-s MS76RD and all the NEW 1916's at 67RD scared me. May stick to the rarities I KNOW no more will show up. (non-lincolns...).
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  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    The NEW 1909-s MS67RD and all the NEW 1916's at 67RD scared me.

    Is this 09-S in the FUN previews the newly made one?
  • Shylock:

    You just made me remortgage my house!
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  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    it looks like a misgraded coin to me ? LOOKS MS 66- TO ME

    stewart
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Still like the 1943 coppers and 1926-S best.

    They are truly the famous (1943 coppers) and the true stopper of a collectible grade condition rarity (1926-S).

    Indeed, the 1919 is an awesome ultimate condition rarity at MS-69 but the problem with the 1919 is not what it is but the fact that any new owner cannot bring enough coins next to it close enough to MS-69 grade/quality. Had there been a larger number of different MS-68 red early red lincoln cents then the 1919 would even be stronger. It is in effect, too "remote" where the potential buyer is even more elusive.

    As far as the 1969-S DDO; that is a real interesting one. A great rarity, a great condition rarity, not yet as famous as the 1955 DDO since it is not as strongly doubled, this date needs more time to mature and come into its own. It could someday challenge the 1943 coppers.

    Stew does indeed have his eyes on the best of the best. Very focused on what he wants. I wish I could be that focused but I am too scattered brained.

    By the way, do not forget about the 1944 steel cents. Real sleepers. Anyone have any accumulations of them?image
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  • Oreville:

    I have FOUR 1944 Steelies. But their is a lot more available than I first thought. I again like the storied coins. The 1969 DDO IMO, is a boring DD. But I dont like any coins that have the same look as the ones circulating today, (Post 1959 cents, for example). Nothing comes close to the 1955 DDO, which is one of the most beautiful DD's out their. The 1942 over 41 Dime is the greatest overdate to me: (Looks like 194 twelve).

    I would say, discounting errors cents, the top 1926-s would be the emperor, to me. Then the 1919 MS69, just because it is the only 69.

    Having said all that, it's just what I like I guess....

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  • RELLARELLA Posts: 960 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The 1969 DDO IMO, is a boring DD. >>

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    Lloyd,

    How much does the fact that the 1969-S is a "modern" contribute to the above? What other factors are involved in your opinion, and to what extent?

    RELLA
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Loyd: Not that I want to hijack this thread, but that 1969PDS lincoln set was a decent attempt by the US Mint engravers to restore the obverse to the beauty of the 1909 design until the dies started to wear down again. Just compare the 1969 cent to the high relief but badly worn dies of 1968. An interesting comparison.

    What about the grandeur of the 1972 DDO cent? The second best date doubling doubled die after the 1955 DDO? Sure, much more common than the 55DDO and 69-SDDO but they give the collectors a more affordable DDO to start with before they start to hunt down Stew's 69-S DDO.

    Remember, the future owner of Stew's coin will first be a buyer of the entry level 95DDO, then the 72DDO, then the 55DDO before demanding the ultimate. So you all need to root for ALL of them!

    But boring? Never. Less obvious than the greatest visual DDO in history (55DDO). Of course.
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  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not long ago I sold an outstanding 1937 Proof lincoln PF67udcam now that is a very nice lincoln
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  • RELLA:

    Nothing but personal opinion and taste. And little research.
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  • Stewart,

    What about the 27-D in 66RD that you've been trying to find for 15+ yrs.? Where would that land on the top 10 list?

    Jack
  • Jack,
    how about the 13s 66rd , seems they are far and few to be seen
    tim
    LOOKING FOR 1931-s merc that is nice for the grade and fb


  • Tim,

    Yep, 13-S in 66RD I think would, make the list as well.

    Jack
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To me the best non-error would be the 1909 VDB Proof Lincoln. It's ultra-low mintage is unmatched by anything else in the series. That alone should put it in the top five.

    The 1990 No S would be the other proof Lincoln to make the top 10.

    However, it sounds to me though that you guys are talking about condition rarities and individual coins.
    Doug
  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭


    << <i>To me the best non-error would be the 1909 VDB Proof Lincoln. It's ultra-low mintage is unmatched by anything else in the series. That alone should put it in the top five.

    The 1990 No S would be the other proof Lincoln to make the top 10.

    However, it sounds to me though that you guys are talking about condition rarities and individual coins. >>




    Doug,
    I agree completly with your comment. I have always felt that date and mintmark rarities should be more desireous than condition rarities. I believe I am in the minority on that viewpoint.
    Steveimage


  • Good point on the proofs. It seems that we are probably over ten now. It would be kind of fun to poll a bunch of Lincoln collectors and come up with an "official" top 10 Lincolns list.

    Jack
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since no one has been brave enough to take a shot, here goes my vote:

    All time top 10 (condition census including everything):

    1. 1919 MS69Red (pop 1/0)
    2. 1943-D Copper MS64BN (pop 1/0)
    3. 1909 VDB Proof 67 Red (pop 2/0)
    4. 1969-S MS64Red (pop 1/0)
    5. 1926-S MS65Red (pop 1/0)
    6. 1943-S Copper AU58BN (1/0) or 1943-P Copper MS61RB (1/0)
    7. 1909 VDB MS68Red (1/0)
    8. 1914-D MS66Red (pop 3/0)
    9. 1922 No D (Strong Reverse) MS64Red (pop 1/0)
    10. 1990-S No S PR69DC (11/0)

    Second 10:

    11. 1909-S VDB MS67Red (9/0)
    12. 1911 MS68Red (1/0)
    13. 1915 MS68Red (1/0)
    14. 1918 MS68Red (1/0)
    15. 1955 DDO MS65Red (pop 18/0)
    16. 1914 PR68Red (2/0)
    17. 1912 PR66Red (1/0)
    18. 1944 Steel MS64 (1/0)
    19. 1917 MS68Red (2/0)
    20. 1916 PR66Red (3/0)
    Doug


  • << <i>Since no one has been brave enough to take a shot, here goes my vote:

    All time top 10 (condition census including everything):

    1. 1919 MS69Red (pop 1/0)
    2. 1943-D Copper MS64BN (pop 1/0)
    3. 1909 VDB Proof 67 Red (pop 2/0)
    4. 1969-S MS64Red (pop 1/0)
    5. 1926-S MS65Red (pop 1/0)
    6. 1943-S Copper AU58BN (1/0) or 1943-P Copper MS61RB (1/0)
    7. 1909 VDB MS68Red (1/0)
    8. 1914-D MS66Red (pop 3/0)
    9. 1922 No D (Strong Reverse) MS64Red (pop 1/0)
    10. 1990-S No S PR69DC (11/0)

    Second 10:

    11. 1909-S VDB MS67Red (9/0)
    12. 1911 MS68Red (1/0)
    13. 1915 MS68Red (1/0)
    14. 1918 MS68Red (1/0)
    15. 1955 DDO MS65Red (pop 18/0)
    16. 1914 PR68Red (2/0)
    17. 1912 PR66Red (1/0)
    18. 1944 Steel MS64 (1/0)
    19. 1917 MS68Red (2/0)
    20. 1916 PR66Red (3/0) >>



    The top 55DDO in 65RD has to be better than a POP11 no S proof from 1990. I would also much rather have a 68RD 1915 over any 43 copper and there is no 09-S VDB in 67RD in the top 10?
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey, put your own list up then.

    55 DDO vs. 90 No S: There are thousands of the 55 DDO's (overrated) vs. less than 200 No S proofs. PCGS will NEVER make a 70DC for the No S, so 69DC is at the top of the game.

    You don't like Copper 43's? I don't really either, but a lot of people do. Chalk it up to personal preference. Some people don't like errors/varities at all.

    The 09SVDB is overrated. The only thing going for this entry is the condition census of a 67red.

    This list was created by trying to combine issue rarity / condition rarity / popularity / cost.

    Doug
  • Since I don't collect all of the different varieties and proofs (only reg business strikes), I don't think I can order the top 10 too well (I ordered my 10 favorite business strikes above), but I think the 10 should be these in no particular order (or ordered by date sort of)...

    1909-s vdb ms67rd
    1914-d ms66rd
    1919 ms69rd
    1926-s ms65rd (or nicest known)
    1922 no D nicest known
    1943 copper (nicest known any mintmark)
    1955 DDO ms65rd (nicest known)
    1969-s DDO ms65rd
    1909 VDB proof nicest
    1990 no S proof pf69 nicest known
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just wanted to show Coin World's Trend as of March 8, 1999 versus today on all of these coins in MS-65. I realize that many of the condition rarities in higher grades than MS-65 are not being shown but 65 is the highest grade that Coin World had in 1999. Just to get an idea of relative values from 1999 versus 2004. I copied and pasted clackamas's post.

    << Since no one has been brave enough to take a shot, here goes my vote:

    All time top 10 (condition census including everything): 3/8/99 price, 11/19/04 price

    1. 1919 MS69Red (pop 1/0)===========================$ 65 / $ 250
    2. 1943-D Copper MS64BN (pop 1/0)====================N/A / N/A
    3. 1909 VDB Proof 67 Red (pop 2/0)=====================N/A / N/A
    4. 1969-S MS64Red (pop 1/0)=========================$20,000 / $ 20,000
    5. 1926-S MS65Red (pop 1/0)=========================$ 9,250 / $ 65,000
    6. 1943-S Copper AU58BN (1/0) or 1943-P Copper MS61RB (1/0)= N/A / N/A
    7. 1909 VDB MS68Red (1/0)===========================$ 40 / $ 110
    8. 1914-D MS66Red (pop 3/0)=========================$ 7,500 / $ 17,000
    9. 1922 No D (Strong Reverse) MS64Red (pop 1/0)==========$45,000 / $175,000
    10. 1990-S No S PR69DC (11/0)=======================$1,200 / $ 4.000

    Second 10:

    11. 1909-S VDB MS67Red (9/0)=======================$ 2,250 / $ 6,500
    12. 1911 MS68Red (1/0)============================$ 175 / $ 460
    13. 1915 MS68Red (1/0)============================$ 410 / $ 1.000
    14. 1918 MS68Red (1/0)============================$ 135 / $ 750
    15. 1955 DDO MS65Red (pop 18/0)====================$22,750 / $35,000
    16. 1914 PR68Red (2/0)============================ N/A / N/A
    17. 1912 PR66Red (1/0)=============================N/A / N/A
    18. 1944 Steel MS64 (1/0)===========================N/A / N/A
    19. 1917 MS68Red (2/0)============================$125 / $ 400
    20. 1916 PR66Red (3/0) >>==========================N/A / N/A



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  • haletjhaletj Posts: 2,192
    Thanks for the info Oreville. I apologoze for being off topic to the thread, but I just have to say, where the h--- does Trends get those prices. I doubt a 65rd 26-s, 22 no d or 69-s DDO could be obtained anywhere near those prices (Stewart already turned down 200K, not 20K!), and then on the more common P coins, come on, ms65 18-p $750, should be more like $300-$400, ms65 19-p $250, should be $100-$150. Trends (and all price guides) are useless.
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    haletj: I agree that Coin World Trends/Values is "useless" in the absolute but quite useful in the comparative sense when comparing over many years.

    However, the fact that CW still shows the 1969-S DDO as still being $20,000 mystifies me. Either that means that they (1) forgot to update the value of that coins or, (2) have no information to update the value of the coin or (3) hoping that they can still get ot for $20K image or (4) Maybe I paid them to keep it at $20,000 image, or (5) They just wanted to aggravate Stew, or (6) ===you fill in===
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  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭
    Just to get an idea of relative values from 1999 versus 2004. I copied and pasted clackamas's post.



    Gentlemen,
    IMHO we are mixing up condition census perceptions with date and mintmark/error census perceptions. They just don't mix. (ie) Coin World is comparing the 1999 price to the 2004 price of a Red MS 65 Lincoln cent of a particular date and mintmark/error. How can that % change have any relevence to a condition census rarity like Stewart's MS69 1919? We all know that just one grade increment upward can mean thousands of dollars difference in value and we also all know that the greatest price changes that have occurred in recent years have been with coins in the HIGHEST grade conditions available. Steve
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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would still like to see a top Lincoln expert post a top 10. (No offense Haletj -- I like your list!)
    Doug
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Steve: I beg to differ with you. While I realize that these are only MS-65 valuations they offer a glimpse as to possible percentage increases in MS-68 or MS-69 valuations in the past 5 years. The 1919 MS-65red price has indeed increased by 285% in the past 5 years. Certainly, not too shabby. Certainly, it is only a starting point. As you know the greysheets and blue sheets do not display MS-69 prices let alone MS-68 prices either. So we need to start somewhere and attempt to begin to extrapolate numbers.

    Sure they might be wrong, but I do not see anyone else attempting an alternative start.

    You also failed to copy and paste my comment shown in the same post:

    "I realize that many of the condition rarities in higher grades than MS-65 are not being shown but 65 is the highest grade that Coin World had in 1999."

    Perhaps, the PCGS (Collectors Universe) price guide is the only one that had values in MS-67 red in both 1999 and 2004. Interestingly, I saved them for all of the mercs for 1999 and 2004 but not the lincoln cents!
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  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭
    Oreville,
    When it comes to pricing on these condition rarities with pop top numbers, I believe the only valid "price guide" is the one between a willing seller and a willing buyer who agree on the price they are willing to sell and buy for. No price guide can tell me the "true" value of Stewart's MS69 Lincoln cent from 1919. Only he knows what he would be willing to sell for (if at all). Then we could see if a willing buyer could be found at that asking price. Steve image


  • Yeah, where are all the "top 10" Lincoln collectors. I'd like to see their lists.

    Jack
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Steve: I agree. But it is so much fun to speculate what those numbers might be through extrapolation of more numbers!

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