The Top 10 Lincoln Cents
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1) 1969 s DDO PCGS ms 65 red- I have already turned down $200,000 for this coin
2) 1919 ms 69 red - This has to be the most valuable P mint because there is no Fuc-en way PCGS will grade an early wheat cent ms 69 red
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2) 1919 ms 69 red - This has to be the most valuable P mint because there is no Fuc-en way PCGS will grade an early wheat cent ms 69 red
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1990 w/o S PR69 Total PCGS pop 50, 11 at 69; only one in 69 at NGC.
On the list somewhere...
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
1) 1943 D Copper, Sold for $212,000 less than 2 years ago.
2) 1943-S Copper. Sold to private collector for much more than the $161,000 ANR final hammer in early March.
3) 1943 Nicest P, $180,000 is what I offered. Couldn't find the owner at first. Later was told too low an offer...
10) No way 1955 DDO MS65RD. Too many others above it worth more than $30,000... For example, ALL the 1909-s VDB 67RD's worth more....
-----Lloyd
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
My (O'K, it's really Gerry's) 1919-S in 66RD is probably on the list around #7 or #8.
Jack
And yes, I agree with Lloyd. The 43 coppers should be on the list and there are too many other Top Lincolns for a 55 DDO to be in the top 10.
Jack
1) 1926-s the best one
2) 1914-d ms66rd
3) 1920-s ms65rd (2nd toughest S imo)
4) 1924-s ms65rd (or 25-s or 23-s all interchangeably tough!)
5) 1919 ms69rd
6) 1924-d ms66rd
7) 1918-d ms67rd (can't believe one is graded so high of this tough date!)
8) 1917-s ms66rd (ditto)
9) 1919-s ms66rd (another ms66 S!)
10) 1909-s vdb ms67rd
wHAT ABOUT A 1914 pROOF 68 RED lINCOLN?
If a 1914 ms 67 red brought $43,000 then a 1911 ms 68 red will bring $100,000?
A 1914 s in ms 66 red brought $90,000
How about a `1909 VDB in Proof 67 red?
LLOYD - I believe my 1969 s DDO in ms 65 red will bring more than any 1943 copper cent IMO
stewart
1958 Doubled Die?
1959D Wheat back (ok, only if it is real)
Believe it or not there are a handful of guys out there that can pay close to or more than $100,000 for a Lincoln.Unlike your non disclosures
There is Lloyd Mincy,joshua,David Halls customer (who bought a 14 s for $90,000 recently),Andy's Skrabalaks secret customer,Laurens Lincolns and a few others.
I did not mention your buddy from the Philly area.
Perhaps you should sell more Lincolns !!!!!!
Now who is the mystery Barber person ??????
Lord Master Stewart
Is this 09-S in the FUN previews the newly made one?
You just made me remortgage my house!
it looks like a misgraded coin to me ? LOOKS MS 66- TO ME
stewart
They are truly the famous (1943 coppers) and the true stopper of a collectible grade condition rarity (1926-S).
Indeed, the 1919 is an awesome ultimate condition rarity at MS-69 but the problem with the 1919 is not what it is but the fact that any new owner cannot bring enough coins next to it close enough to MS-69 grade/quality. Had there been a larger number of different MS-68 red early red lincoln cents then the 1919 would even be stronger. It is in effect, too "remote" where the potential buyer is even more elusive.
As far as the 1969-S DDO; that is a real interesting one. A great rarity, a great condition rarity, not yet as famous as the 1955 DDO since it is not as strongly doubled, this date needs more time to mature and come into its own. It could someday challenge the 1943 coppers.
Stew does indeed have his eyes on the best of the best. Very focused on what he wants. I wish I could be that focused but I am too scattered brained.
By the way, do not forget about the 1944 steel cents. Real sleepers. Anyone have any accumulations of them?
I have FOUR 1944 Steelies. But their is a lot more available than I first thought. I again like the storied coins. The 1969 DDO IMO, is a boring DD. But I dont like any coins that have the same look as the ones circulating today, (Post 1959 cents, for example). Nothing comes close to the 1955 DDO, which is one of the most beautiful DD's out their. The 1942 over 41 Dime is the greatest overdate to me: (Looks like 194 twelve).
I would say, discounting errors cents, the top 1926-s would be the emperor, to me. Then the 1919 MS69, just because it is the only 69.
Having said all that, it's just what I like I guess....
____Lloyd
<< <i>The 1969 DDO IMO, is a boring DD. >>
Lloyd,
How much does the fact that the 1969-S is a "modern" contribute to the above? What other factors are involved in your opinion, and to what extent?
RELLA
who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
twenty times.
What about the grandeur of the 1972 DDO cent? The second best date doubling doubled die after the 1955 DDO? Sure, much more common than the 55DDO and 69-SDDO but they give the collectors a more affordable DDO to start with before they start to hunt down Stew's 69-S DDO.
Remember, the future owner of Stew's coin will first be a buyer of the entry level 95DDO, then the 72DDO, then the 55DDO before demanding the ultimate. So you all need to root for ALL of them!
But boring? Never. Less obvious than the greatest visual DDO in history (55DDO). Of course.
Nothing but personal opinion and taste. And little research.
Stewart,
What about the 27-D in 66RD that you've been trying to find for 15+ yrs.? Where would that land on the top 10 list?
Jack
how about the 13s 66rd , seems they are far and few to be seen
tim
Tim,
Yep, 13-S in 66RD I think would, make the list as well.
Jack
To me the best non-error would be the 1909 VDB Proof Lincoln. It's ultra-low mintage is unmatched by anything else in the series. That alone should put it in the top five.
The 1990 No S would be the other proof Lincoln to make the top 10.
However, it sounds to me though that you guys are talking about condition rarities and individual coins.
<< <i>To me the best non-error would be the 1909 VDB Proof Lincoln. It's ultra-low mintage is unmatched by anything else in the series. That alone should put it in the top five.
The 1990 No S would be the other proof Lincoln to make the top 10.
However, it sounds to me though that you guys are talking about condition rarities and individual coins. >>
Doug,
I agree completly with your comment. I have always felt that date and mintmark rarities should be more desireous than condition rarities. I believe I am in the minority on that viewpoint.
Steve
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
Good point on the proofs. It seems that we are probably over ten now. It would be kind of fun to poll a bunch of Lincoln collectors and come up with an "official" top 10 Lincolns list.
Jack
All time top 10 (condition census including everything):
1. 1919 MS69Red (pop 1/0)
2. 1943-D Copper MS64BN (pop 1/0)
3. 1909 VDB Proof 67 Red (pop 2/0)
4. 1969-S MS64Red (pop 1/0)
5. 1926-S MS65Red (pop 1/0)
6. 1943-S Copper AU58BN (1/0) or 1943-P Copper MS61RB (1/0)
7. 1909 VDB MS68Red (1/0)
8. 1914-D MS66Red (pop 3/0)
9. 1922 No D (Strong Reverse) MS64Red (pop 1/0)
10. 1990-S No S PR69DC (11/0)
Second 10:
11. 1909-S VDB MS67Red (9/0)
12. 1911 MS68Red (1/0)
13. 1915 MS68Red (1/0)
14. 1918 MS68Red (1/0)
15. 1955 DDO MS65Red (pop 18/0)
16. 1914 PR68Red (2/0)
17. 1912 PR66Red (1/0)
18. 1944 Steel MS64 (1/0)
19. 1917 MS68Red (2/0)
20. 1916 PR66Red (3/0)
<< <i>Since no one has been brave enough to take a shot, here goes my vote:
All time top 10 (condition census including everything):
1. 1919 MS69Red (pop 1/0)
2. 1943-D Copper MS64BN (pop 1/0)
3. 1909 VDB Proof 67 Red (pop 2/0)
4. 1969-S MS64Red (pop 1/0)
5. 1926-S MS65Red (pop 1/0)
6. 1943-S Copper AU58BN (1/0) or 1943-P Copper MS61RB (1/0)
7. 1909 VDB MS68Red (1/0)
8. 1914-D MS66Red (pop 3/0)
9. 1922 No D (Strong Reverse) MS64Red (pop 1/0)
10. 1990-S No S PR69DC (11/0)
Second 10:
11. 1909-S VDB MS67Red (9/0)
12. 1911 MS68Red (1/0)
13. 1915 MS68Red (1/0)
14. 1918 MS68Red (1/0)
15. 1955 DDO MS65Red (pop 18/0)
16. 1914 PR68Red (2/0)
17. 1912 PR66Red (1/0)
18. 1944 Steel MS64 (1/0)
19. 1917 MS68Red (2/0)
20. 1916 PR66Red (3/0) >>
The top 55DDO in 65RD has to be better than a POP11 no S proof from 1990. I would also much rather have a 68RD 1915 over any 43 copper and there is no 09-S VDB in 67RD in the top 10?
55 DDO vs. 90 No S: There are thousands of the 55 DDO's (overrated) vs. less than 200 No S proofs. PCGS will NEVER make a 70DC for the No S, so 69DC is at the top of the game.
You don't like Copper 43's? I don't really either, but a lot of people do. Chalk it up to personal preference. Some people don't like errors/varities at all.
The 09SVDB is overrated. The only thing going for this entry is the condition census of a 67red.
This list was created by trying to combine issue rarity / condition rarity / popularity / cost.
1909-s vdb ms67rd
1914-d ms66rd
1919 ms69rd
1926-s ms65rd (or nicest known)
1922 no D nicest known
1943 copper (nicest known any mintmark)
1955 DDO ms65rd (nicest known)
1969-s DDO ms65rd
1909 VDB proof nicest
1990 no S proof pf69 nicest known
<< Since no one has been brave enough to take a shot, here goes my vote:
All time top 10 (condition census including everything): 3/8/99 price, 11/19/04 price
1. 1919 MS69Red (pop 1/0)===========================$ 65 / $ 250
2. 1943-D Copper MS64BN (pop 1/0)====================N/A / N/A
3. 1909 VDB Proof 67 Red (pop 2/0)=====================N/A / N/A
4. 1969-S MS64Red (pop 1/0)=========================$20,000 / $ 20,000
5. 1926-S MS65Red (pop 1/0)=========================$ 9,250 / $ 65,000
6. 1943-S Copper AU58BN (1/0) or 1943-P Copper MS61RB (1/0)= N/A / N/A
7. 1909 VDB MS68Red (1/0)===========================$ 40 / $ 110
8. 1914-D MS66Red (pop 3/0)=========================$ 7,500 / $ 17,000
9. 1922 No D (Strong Reverse) MS64Red (pop 1/0)==========$45,000 / $175,000
10. 1990-S No S PR69DC (11/0)=======================$1,200 / $ 4.000
Second 10:
11. 1909-S VDB MS67Red (9/0)=======================$ 2,250 / $ 6,500
12. 1911 MS68Red (1/0)============================$ 175 / $ 460
13. 1915 MS68Red (1/0)============================$ 410 / $ 1.000
14. 1918 MS68Red (1/0)============================$ 135 / $ 750
15. 1955 DDO MS65Red (pop 18/0)====================$22,750 / $35,000
16. 1914 PR68Red (2/0)============================ N/A / N/A
17. 1912 PR66Red (1/0)=============================N/A / N/A
18. 1944 Steel MS64 (1/0)===========================N/A / N/A
19. 1917 MS68Red (2/0)============================$125 / $ 400
20. 1916 PR66Red (3/0) >>==========================N/A / N/A
However, the fact that CW still shows the 1969-S DDO as still being $20,000 mystifies me. Either that means that they (1) forgot to update the value of that coins or, (2) have no information to update the value of the coin or (3) hoping that they can still get ot for $20K
Gentlemen,
IMHO we are mixing up condition census perceptions with date and mintmark/error census perceptions. They just don't mix. (ie) Coin World is comparing the 1999 price to the 2004 price of a Red MS 65 Lincoln cent of a particular date and mintmark/error. How can that % change have any relevence to a condition census rarity like Stewart's MS69 1919? We all know that just one grade increment upward can mean thousands of dollars difference in value and we also all know that the greatest price changes that have occurred in recent years have been with coins in the HIGHEST grade conditions available. Steve
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
I would still like to see a top Lincoln expert post a top 10. (No offense Haletj -- I like your list!)
Sure they might be wrong, but I do not see anyone else attempting an alternative start.
You also failed to copy and paste my comment shown in the same post:
"I realize that many of the condition rarities in higher grades than MS-65 are not being shown but 65 is the highest grade that Coin World had in 1999."
Perhaps, the PCGS (Collectors Universe) price guide is the only one that had values in MS-67 red in both 1999 and 2004. Interestingly, I saved them for all of the mercs for 1999 and 2004 but not the lincoln cents!
When it comes to pricing on these condition rarities with pop top numbers, I believe the only valid "price guide" is the one between a willing seller and a willing buyer who agree on the price they are willing to sell and buy for. No price guide can tell me the "true" value of Stewart's MS69 Lincoln cent from 1919. Only he knows what he would be willing to sell for (if at all). Then we could see if a willing buyer could be found at that asking price. Steve
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
Yeah, where are all the "top 10" Lincoln collectors. I'd like to see their lists.
Jack