Need help on Nolan Ryan, Ted Williams autograph pieces

jrdolan

I could use some help on a couple auto items I have acquired. Mostly I want to know whether they need additional authentication (PSA/DNA) to offer for sale and get a good price. Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

The first is a framed , signed 1993 Nolan Ryan cachet (see below) to commemorate his 5,714th and final strikeout. On the back of the frame is a COA describing the cachet, certifying the sig is authentic, and saying 1,000 of these were created. (Sorry for the poor focus on the COA) It's signed by Rose Wiley of the Gateway Stamp Co.

The second item is a framed, signed 1990 Ted Williams display piece with a photo and his career accomplishments. Ted's auto is pretty large, as you see below. The authentication is part of the piece: a notary public's testament and signature dated March 13, 1990.

Stone193

<< <i>Mostly I want to know whether they need additional authentication (PSA/DNA) to offer for sale and get a good price. >>


JR
This is just my recent observations and not an expert opinion but for the Williams, it would depend on what you paid for the item. It will cost, I think, 75$ to get this authen. by psa/dna. I picked up this Williams auto with a psa/dna cert. number on the item and on a matching COA for about 125$ from B&E
a few months back. If you do a Williams psa/dna past items search, you can pick up some nice psa/dna items for in the 100-200$ range - some of them slabbed. So this is one of those do the math things.
My guess? Williams is a slow ticket right now. On the other hand, psa/dna cert.# mantles, e.g. balls, are pulling down some righteous bucks right now.
Not familiar with the Ryan sales...sorry.



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Mike

edit: BTW, those are some nice looking items!

jrdolan

I didn't pay anything for them. They were given to me to sell to reduce a debt. Yeah, same guy who gave me the Yankees bat that had some questionable sigs on it. If I have to send these to PSA, that cost is added to the debt.

It seems to me the provenance on the Ryan is solid, the Williams less so. But if they don't have PSA/DNA in the title then I'm guessing the auto collectors who would pay a good price won't even see them.

Maybe I answered my own question. I have many Bench autos, but otherwise don't know much about that market.

Ironmanfan

While I can't quote a market value, both pieces are the real deal. Gateway Stamp Co. has a great reputation & the Williams piece was part of a set (players were sold individually) that came out in the late 80's/early 90's with a lot of the living greats at the time (Mantle, Gibson, Ford, etc.). I wouldn't invest any money for authentication fees.

MRyanF

I have the same Ryan and have never had any concerns about it. But I doubt you will get much for it, PSA or not, many people don't like these postcard type items.

CON40

John;

I can't tell you much about the Ted, but Gateway had an impeccable reputation for gathering legitimate signatures on their cancelled envelopes back in the day. They are nice display pieces if you ask me. I have a few, but not sure about the one you have. If I need it, is it available?

jrdolan

Con -- Sure it's available. My interest in these items is to sell them to knock down a debt owed to me by their owner. It's mounted in a very solid gold-tone steel wall frame that's put together like a tank. I just zoomed in on the piece for the photo. I can take more photos if needed to show the overall presentation.

All -- Thanks for the assurances on the legitimacy of these items. I still wonder how much interest they would generate without PSA/DNA in the auction title. The Williams for example, how would you express in the title that it's real? "Ted Williams Autograph Wall Display, Authentic, Notary Witness" ... ?

TURTLE

JR,

If you are interested in Ted Williams memorabilia I have some pieces that will blow you away. My father was the former director of the Ted Williams and I am looking to sell my collection. All pieces come with LOA on Ted Williams stationary. If you are interested, let me know. You can e-mail me at jlemieux327@aol.com

Justin

jaxxr

Not to butt in with a personal question, but.............

It is somewhat related anyhow. In 1989 at a card show in Chicago, I got Ted's signature on a 8x10 color photo I bought at the show before I got in the line to get the auto. I saved the ticket stub which indicates Teddy Ballgame was there and signing. I was right there as the Spendid Splinter signed my piece.

My question is this, if I personally guarantee, confirm, promise, affirm, swear, this is a photo I actually saw him sign, in person up close and include the ticket stub, is this "almost" as valuable as a similar photo with a COA from a major dealer / authenticator ???

And, in case anyone cares, I have a same type of photo from an in person show ( but no ticket ) of Joe DiMaggio, who was MUCH more aloof and quite distant, than Ted, by the way.