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1914 Cracker Jack set

mudflap02mudflap02 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭
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If you have any sort of interest in prewar cards, check out this amazing set:

http://www.sgc1914crackerjack.com/home.html

I just stumbled on this site today. 1914 CJ is that set for me that I know will always stay on the horizon due to the cost. But just look at these cards! The Jackson is a Gem, and the Mathewson is a 7.5. And remember that these were all issued in boxes (as far as I know) - no factory set version was available as with the 1915 set.

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  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image Where's that stupid "Drooling like Cujo" icon when you need one?


    Steve
  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just read the stuff on that site, and that is one incredible set! I just wonder if that Gem Mint 98 Jackson would fetch more than the PSA 8 T206 Wagner. And to think that the Cobb, Alexander and Wagner (among others) are all Mint 96'simage

    Somebody just walked into the National with that set in the original company envelopeimage Freakin' incredibleimage

    Thank you Jeff, for posting that link...it should make us all realize that great cards are still out there waiting to be foundimage


    Steve
  • TheCARDKidTheCARDKid Posts: 1,496 ✭
    Those cards are hypnotic!

    Why weren't they PSA graded (or even GAI)?
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The Jackson is a Gem >>


    Those cards are incredible! Almost good enough to have been bleached?
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    Mike
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  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Those cards are hypnotic!

    Why weren't they PSA graded (or even GAI)? >>



    Basically the end-buyer of the sets is an SGC hound - and he paid a sufficient enough premium that he was able to get most of his demands met.
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    amazing
    ·p_A·
  • kobykoby Posts: 1,699 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Those cards are hypnotic!

    Why weren't they PSA graded (or even GAI)? >>



    Basically the end-buyer of the sets is an SGC hound - and he paid a sufficient enough premium that he was able to get most of his demands met. >>






    I guess that answers the question about who is the new owner. There is really only one "SGC hound" with that kind of dough.
  • mudflap02mudflap02 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭
    As far as wh the cards are in SGC holders, I don't think you'll get much debate that they are on a suitable par with PSA for pre-war issues - many actually prefer them in that area because that is the niche in which they are trying to establish themselves. As far as GAI, I don't think you will see too many people with brand loyalty to them - aminly just people looking to cross to PSA or dealers/auction houses looking for a half grade bump.

    As far as the cards having been bleached, it says in the press release on the website that they were actually a factory "presentation" type set, that has been in the family for many years, presumably in Grandpa's attic/basement/sea chest. I honestly don't think they've been altered as SGC tends to be pretty knowledgeable for issues like these.
  • ajwajw Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    Wow. Thanks for the link.

    Interesting note...these cards were never inserted into boxes of Cracker Jack. Does that matter at all to anyone? It seems somewhat similar to the sheet cut debate that flares up from time to time. These cards weren't exposed to the same environment that other Cracker Jack cards were. They were made at the same time, but then set aside...never put into boxes of caramel candy.

    I'm not saying that it should be a big deal...but it seems to be somewhat similar to a sheet that is made in 1950 and cut in 2000.

    Still, incredible cards and beautiful scans.

    Wow.
  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting point AJW, but these cards are similar to the early 1960's Topps cards, where Topps did "Presentation Sets"...individually boxed sets that they then gave out to certain people. Those Topps cards today aren't really considered to be any different than cards that came out of packs at the corner store. Same thing somewhat with the 1980's to the present "Factory Sets".

    Also, they're really no different than the 1915 Cracker Jack cards that WERE issued in set form, in addition to being inserted in boxes.

    Steve
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    AJW:

    You can make the same arguments about any high grade Stahl-Meyer cards (e.g. sans hot dog juice), and the same for high-grade Wilson Franks cards. There are obviously different sides to the debate, on that one - but obviously many are relatively indifferent.
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>As far as the cards having been bleached, it says in the press release on the website that they were actually a factory "presentation" type set, >>


    Jeff
    I was just messin...they are great cards...there was talk of some 1915's that got by the graders if memory serves me.
    your friend
    Mike
    Mike
  • helionauthelionaut Posts: 1,555 ✭✭
    The one and only time I met one of the Wentzes (Brian, I think), he had a display case of awesome stuff. He had a couple high grade CJs, including a Jackson and a Cobb, both graded in the SGC 90s. They were sweet. But they didn't look like these. I've never seen any that white, and the scans make the cards look like they are literally popped out of the holders. I have to wonder it they're real, or if the scans are.
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  • KnucklesKnuckles Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭
    Wow I 98 from SGC and for a 1914 card yet!.. you don't see many SGC 98's of modern stuff let alone something that old.
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  • TheCARDKidTheCARDKid Posts: 1,496 ✭
    The purchase price was $800 k. Any guesses as to what the HOF'ers would sell for?
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    TheCARD - I'd put the Cobb and Wagner at $150K to $250K apiece, the Alexander at $50K to $100K, and the lesser HOFers in SGC 96 at $25K to $50 K apiece. I base this on the few sales prices of supreme cards in recent years (e.g., Goodwin's PSA 10 1940 PB Williams, the '55 Clemente PSA 10, the '54 Aaron PSA 10, the ''52 Topps PSA 10 Mantles).

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  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Basically the end-buyer of the sets is an SGC hound - and he paid a sufficient enough premium that he was able to get most of his demands met. >>



    Actually this set was going to Sgc before the end buyer got into the picture. I am not sure if you meant
    that it was a demand of his. The way it played out this set was heading to Sgc for grading.

    I think he got a good deal on this set. I don't believe he paid a sufficient premium. I know not too many people
    got $800,000 to spend on cards but I also think the breakup value on this set is huge. I think that if
    it were graded by Psa there are two potentials that would of paid that type of coin for it.

    aconte
  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    The holders are merely a minor inconvenience to someone who has to have them in another grading company's holders. I'm sure the buyer could get PSA or GAI to switch the set over for free. The $800,000 seems like the biggest hurdle to me. But what do I know?
  • ajwajw Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    Here's an article from the Chicago Tribune. Nothing we don't know already, but it's good to see the cards get some real publicity.

    Trib on the Cracker Jacks
  • minibeersminibeers Posts: 216 ✭
    I just soiled my drawers.
    1966T, 1971T, 1972T raw and in 8s
    1963T Dodgers in 8s
    Pre-war Brooklyn 5s or higher
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