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Dealers you would use for rarities at Auctions you cannot attend

TahoeDaleTahoeDale Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭
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Another thread has been discussing the merits of buying directly from dealers on the bourse vs. auction purchases. Both are appropriate sources for the purchase of hard to find coins you despartely desire.

But if you cannot be there, or preview the coin before the sale(except the web site image), who do you turn to and does it depend on the series involved?

I'll start with a few recommendations.

Kenny Duncan and Jack Hertzberg- Proof type and gold

Larry Shepherd and Larry Whitlow(and Mike Printz)- MS Barbers

Brian Wagner and Rick Snow- IHC

Mark Feld- just about anything

Sil Digenova and Gary Carlson-Bust dollars

Don Willis and Sheridan Downey-Bust halves

Let's hear from others with your highly regarded dealers who you rely upon for bidding at shows.

Caveat: This list is just a start. I need favors from the above, so they got mentioned first.
TahoeDale

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  • dimplesdimples Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭
    Laura of Legend....who else?image
  • REXREX Posts: 46
    Use a pro-Laura at Legend.My boss uses her a lotimage
    Toned coin collector
  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭
    Mr. Magoo of Magoo's Fine Coins.image

    Others:

    Stevie Wonder...toned Morgans
    Ray Charles (dec.)...18th century gold
    Jose Feliciano...Barbers

    image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    If I actually could afford anything, my first three choices would be:

    Mark Feld
    Mark Feld
    Mark Feld

    If none of them were available, I'd go with Mark Feld.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭
    Dale

    Who would you use to buy Lincoln cents without rectal bleeding after you've paid for the coins?

    Stewart
  • TahoeDaleTahoeDale Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭
    Stewart,

    I am not a cent collector, either the early coppers, IHC or the Lincolns. But I would go to Jim McGuigan for early coppers, Brian Wagner/Rick Snow for IHC, and you for Lincolns.

    You would surely recommend the best people, while you are trying to sell me your duplicates. I probably would have enough money left over to call my poor wife and tell her to sell the house.
    TahoeDale
  • monstermanmonsterman Posts: 797
    Who would you use to buy Lincoln cents without rectal bleeding after you've paid for the coins?>>>>>>>oh that easy...i would use stewart...

    as far as jack hertzberg...thats not his bag...i had him bid for me in 1996....and forgot...and i lost the most monster toned trade dollar.... AND I MEAN MONSTER...HEAD LIGHT NEON COLORED THE "LAST WORD" TRADE DOLLAR THERE IS...AND HE FORGOT.....3 weeks later i was telling mike prinz how jack forgot....and how monster it was and how pissed i was....key word here is "was"....anyway mike told me that he had a monster of all monsters....i said...yeah...right and he pulled THE coin out of his pocket...i fell over as i had found the hly grail......bottomline is mike bid on the coin and was not challenged too hard and bought it for half of what my bid was to be...and mike passed the savings tight down to me and saved me about 10,000...which then let hertzberg off the hook as now i owed him one instead of the other way around

    monsterman


    can i get a harder question please :-)

    monsterman
    my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!

    out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
  • FinallyHereFinallyHere Posts: 821 ✭✭✭
    Ah.....Monsterman.....I sure do remember that Trade Dollar!!! Had some tarnish of some kind all over it! You've since had NCS work it over I heard??image

    Mike
    Mike Printz
    Harlan J. Berk, Ltd.
    https://hjbltd.com/#!/department/us-coins
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sure do remember that Trade Dollar!!!

    Anybody got a picture? image
    Early Dollar Set
  • JusthavingfunJusthavingfun Posts: 835 ✭
    Gosh, for US coins, I've worked with Warren Mills (Rare Coins of New Hampshire) and Mr. Wondercoin. Both have represented me truly and effectively on a wide range of coins.

    For US-Philippines, Jon Rosenthal (Tonelover), who works for Warren, has given me excellent representation at several auctions. And ditto for Bill Elwell who also actually successfully bought an important US-Philippines collection for me, at a time when I couldn't travel to inspect it myself.

    Enjoy!

    Just Having Fun
    Jefferson nickels, Standing Libs, and US-Philippines rock
  • lavalava Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭
    Intersting thread. Morgan experts?
    I brake for ear bars.
  • TONEDDOLLARSTONEDDOLLARS Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭
    Charle Browne, I think he is with certified assets. Was with RCNH and also was a PCGS finalizer a few years back. He has bought some wonderful Morgans for me.
    Magic Mirrors


    Rainbow Stars
  • JusthavingfunJusthavingfun Posts: 835 ✭
    Yes, Charlie Browne is great, but he has bad health problems. You can never be really, really sure he will actually be able to make the auction for you, because of his health. Check it out with him. If he's healthy, he's really, really good.

    My best to Charlie and you,


    Just Having Fun
    Jefferson nickels, Standing Libs, and US-Philippines rock
  • Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    Rick Kay for patterns. IF I had the money...
    VOC Numismatics
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  • NewmismatistNewmismatist Posts: 1,802 ✭✭
    One not mentioned yet is Joe O'Connor - he has a good eye, and a good person to deal with.

    Collecting eye-appealing Proof and MS Indian Head Cents, 1858 Flying Eagle and IHC patterns and beautiful toned coins.

    “It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
    Newmismatist
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No one - I gotta see it first!imageimage
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    Mark Feld- just about anything


    michael
  • CasabrownCasabrown Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭
    I would choose Andy Skrabalak for a number of reasons. He is honest and knows just about everyone to obtain any additional information he may need.

    Casabrown
  • jbstevenjbsteven Posts: 6,178 ✭
    If I had to pick ONE dealer for EVERYTHING it would be Kenny Duncan, hands down.
  • monstermanmonsterman Posts: 797
    Anybody got a picture? >>>

    tdn

    i bring it to fun

    monsterman

    ps....jason.....kenny duncan is THE MAN...no doubt about it

    my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!

    out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is a fair price to pay for a dealer's services for this? If a dealer buys the coin at auction is he necessarily obligated to sell it to you or does his obligation end if the purchase price exceeds whatever price you are willing to pay? How is such representation usually arranged or negotiated?
    theknowitalltroll;
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't make FUN. image

    How 'bout Long Beach?
    Early Dollar Set
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I used to work a couple of time with Joe Flynn Sr! (not Jr. image ). I hope I am not dating myself too much

    But he didn't do too much with auctions so since then I have never used another dealer, only collector friends.

    Does anyone remember those days?????????
    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • monstermanmonsterman Posts: 797
    oreville

    i remember you and john pitman geting into it a few times....way back when...:-)

    monsterman
    my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!

    out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    monsterman: Careful, I used to scream against you even before the dawg pound was born!
    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What is a fair price to pay for a dealer's services for this? If a dealer buys the coin at auction is he necessarily obligated to sell it to you or does his obligation end if the purchase price exceeds whatever price you are willing to pay? How is such representation usually arranged or negotiated? >>

    BAJJERFAN, such arrangements can and do vary between different dealers and their clients. I know of a number of dealers, myself included, who screen auction coins for clients, report back to them and charge 5% of the winning hammer price, in the event that the client is the winning bidder. However, if the client does not bid, or bids but is unsuccessful, there is no charge for the services rendered.

    Obviously, under this scenario, if the client spends a lot of money, the dealer can make very nice commissions. On the other hand, there are many times when the dealer spends a great deal of time and makes nothing. Ideally, and hopefully, it balances out so that things are fair for both parties. If one type of arrangement/commission structure is not working out fairly/evenly, the dealer and client should mutually agree upon a different way of doing things - there is nothing wrong with flexibility.

    If a dealer pays more for a coin than the client has bid on it, there is no reason for the dealer to have any obligation to offer it to the client, though I believe it would be common courtesy to do so.

    If I will be bidding against my client for a coin, or if I have been asked by more than one client to check out a coin, I let the client(s) know that there is a potential conflict of interest involved.


  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭
    Joe O...great choice. But don't count on him liking everything you want. He is VERY picky, but when he likes something it's as fine as they get. He has great integrity as well.

    Look what he did for Jung!!
    image
  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭
    Of course I would also use a dealer who I thought might compete with me...!!!!
    image
  • DrPeteDrPete Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭
    Dale's original question also brings to mind a notion I have that many of the best collections put together now are done with the aid of a quality dealer with a good eye for coins. I can think of multiple examples where the teamwork between the collector and dealer have produced terrific results.

    It could be said that behind every great collection is a great dealer.
    Dr. Pete
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