Bust Half with edge error

Cherwood

I just got a 1934 Bust Half on Ebay that says "FIFTY CENTS OR A DOLLAR" on the edge. Does anyone know anything about this error?

OKbustchaser

This is why bust coinage should not be slabbed. As for your error, it is reasonably common...it was caused when the planchet did not make a full trip through the Castaing machine which was used to apply the edge lettering.

Jim

Edited to add:

Actually, if it is missing the entire word "half" then it is less common than I earlier stated. Should be worth a slight premium. Nice catch.

Jim

Cherwood

Thanks. I know nothing about Bust Halves but was able to get this one for my type set at a pretty reasonable price. I would guess that it grades about EF.

OKbustchaser

Pics???

Jim

uncleb

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JrGMan2004

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Oh, and Hi Byron, been a while...

Cherwood

I'll try and post a pic of it after I get it.

Myqqy

In the overton book, it's listed as an E25 edge error among 59 listed..... I wonder if anybody has any info about rarities among these edge errors??

Cherwood

<< <i>In the overton book, it's listed as an E25 edge error among 59 listed..... I wonder if anybody has any info about rarities among these edge errors??
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Hmmm......ok. Thanks a lot for the info.

Be nice if I actually found something good......

Conder101

<< <i>This is why bust coinage should not be slabbed. As for your error, it is reasonably common...it was caused when the planchet did not make a full trip through the Castaing machine which was used to apply the edge lettering. >>


And the reason it does not make the full trip is usually because the movable die is not retracted fully before the blank is placed between them.

Cherwood

<< <i>This is why bust coinage should not be slabbed. As for your error, it is reasonably common...it was caused when the planchet did not make a full trip through the Castaing machine which was used to apply the edge lettering.

Jim

Edited to add:

Actually, if it is missing the entire word "half" then it is less common than I earlier stated. Should be worth a slight premium. Nice catch.

Jim >>



From what I understand it is missing the entire word "half". I'm not sure if there is a big gap there or what. I'll get a picture of it once I get it. Should be soon as it was mailed yesterday.

Nysoto

One of the best references for bust half edge errors is the 10/02 Bowers and Merena auction catalogue of the Russ Logan collection, also online at the B&M website. The prices realized showed the multiple double and triple lettering getting strong premiums, and no edge lettering is the rarest and had the high prices. The spacing errors are more common and may not get a premium. Another fairly common spacing error is ORALF A DOLLAR, which is the R over the H. In 1818 there is a die marriage that shows half of the edge lettering inverted, which clearly shows edge dies were used on both the fixed and movable sides of the Castaing machine.

Another excellent reference is "Americas Silver Coinage 1794-1891" available from the ANS at a good price. Dr. Ivan Leaman and Don Gunnet documented every edge die used in the capped series, and by analyzing links from year to year and the edge die state, they were able to complete an emission order for the die marriages for each year. Also in this reference is the design engineering for Logan's edge mirrors.

A newer reference is www.busthalfprices.com which has an Overton errata section showing all error corrections and additional discoveries since Overton 3rd. The site also has new rarity ratings for bust halves.

Bill

EVillageProwler

There was a Stack's auction a couple of years ago that included a large number of CBH's with edge errors. I can't remember the catalog, but I though the catalogers did a nice job on these errors.

I agree it's a shame the edges get obscured by the slabs.

EVP

Conder101

My favorite edge lettering error is on a Lancashire 108 Conder token. Lancashire 108 was struck using leftover planchets from many sources and there are some 14 different edge inscriptions. My coin has a muling of two different edge dies, Lanc 108h (CELEBRATED FOR PURE AND SEA BATHING .X.) and 108n (PAYABLE AT LONDON AND BRIGHTON ./././) My coins edge reads (AND SEA BATHING .X. OR BRIGHTON ./././) I haven't tracked down where the planchets came from yet but I am fairly sure they were for merchants located in two different counties.

Cherwood

<< <i>One of the best references for bust half edge errors is the 10/02 Bowers and Merena auction catalogue of the Russ Logan collection, also online at the B&M website. The prices realized showed the multiple double and triple lettering getting strong premiums, and no edge lettering is the rarest and had the high prices. The spacing errors are more common and may not get a premium. Another fairly common spacing error is ORALF A DOLLAR, which is the R over the H. In 1818 there is a die marriage that shows half of the edge lettering inverted, which clearly shows edge dies were used on both the fixed and movable sides of the Castaing machine.

Another excellent reference is "Americas Silver Coinage 1794-1891" available from the ANS at a good price. Dr. Ivan Leaman and Don Gunnet documented every edge die used in the capped series, and by analyzing links from year to year and the edge die state, they were able to complete an emission order for the die marriages for each year. Also in this reference is the design engineering for Logan's edge mirrors.

A newer reference is www.busthalfprices.com which has an Overton errata section showing all error corrections and additional discoveries since Overton 3rd. The site also has new rarity ratings for bust halves.

Bill >>



Thanks.......I'll do some searching on-line.