Advanced Silver Washington Quarter Collectors - How Tough Is This Coin?

wondercoin

I am filling in my Type B reverses. How tough have you found the 1959(p) quarter to be in MS66+ grade Ty B? Obviously, true MS67's are rare on their own in either reverse.

1959 Ty B

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quattrocoins

Mitch,

In my three years of lookin', I've only seen one for sale on eBay. One of our members here had a PCGS MS66 there a few months ago. I sniped it for too little and became the under-bidder!
It went for no where near that price, though.

I have a few of the other years and was hoping to fill them out before they are added to the varieties sets.

Don

wondercoin

Craig: Yes - I bought it to add to a set of Type B reverses I want to assemble in high grade. There are (50) 1959(p) Wash Quarters in NGC-MS67. I was just curious if other quarter collectors had information on just how many of them might be Ty B reverses.

Don - Thanks for the information. I would also like to fill out a set in the next year or two

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wondercoin

"Cool BTW what is type b reverse ? Proof like"

Craig: In 1956-1964, the Mint not only struck its normal reverse for the Wash quarter, but a higher relief reverse (used for striking proofs). If you take a look at the Heritage scan of the reverse of the coin, you will notice that in the word "STATES" on the reverse, the "E" and "S' are separated unlike the normal business strike reverse where the ES almost touch. There are also other diagnostic differences as well.

I believe all of the govt. mint set coins for 1959 contained TY B reverse coins. Again, I have not followed to what extent the higher grade 1959 quarters are Ty B vs. Ty A. Consider that the total mintage for the 1959(p) quarter was 24,384,000 and the mintage for the 1959 mint set was 187,000.

Hope this helps.

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cladking

There are a lot of different reverses used between 1956 and 1984. Not only are there
the four major types but there were annual changes to some of these types which do
occasionally have more dramatic differences than the various types. (ie- '73-'74). These
have been muled with the wrong dated obverse on a few occasions too. Also watch for
reverses which were intended for proof sets and both type "c" and type "d" were used
concurrently from '77 to '84 with some of the type "d's" being quite scarce.

emzee

I was interested in these 10-15 years ago. I have an ms66 1959 coin in a PCGS green label holder. It is prooflike on both obverse and reverse indicating the mint was, of course, reusing proof obverse dies as well. As part of a toning project I started in the early 1990's, I put away quantity of late-date 25c including many type B reverse coins 1959-1964. Of approximately 70 nice 1959p 25c, 5 are reverse B, all of which are prooflike. Most of the 1960's dates are common to very common, as I recall. I never saw a 1956 though a knowledgeable dealer (Bob Z) told me he had seen several. 1957 commonly comes with mint set toning ( they were in the mint sets) and I have several of these in ms67 holders. 1958 seems to be scarce- I bought the only coin I ever came accross, a raw ms61-62. I have a 1960 in an NGC ms67 holder -1960 is a common date.
Michael

seanq

<< <i> 1958 seems to be scarce- I bought the only coin I ever came accross, a raw ms61-62. I have a 1960 in an NGC ms67 holder -1960 is a common date.
Michael >>



I wonder if you bought that from me? I had a raw UNC 1958 Type B that came in a big lot of minor errors and varieties. I sold it on eBay back in April of this year for less than $5. I wish I knew then what I know now...


Sean Reynolds

IrishMike

What is an "advanced" silver washington collector?

emzee

Sean,
I bought mine 10+ years ago. Mint produced 1.1-1.2 million 1959 proof sets and 25.5 million business strike 25c. Based on these numbers, 2.2% of quarters produced in 1959 were proofs. The lifespan of proof dies is substantially less than that of regular dies perhaps by a factor of 5-10 (I don't know exact figure). Hence , maybe 10-20% of 25c dies floating around the Philly mint in 1959 were reverse B. Business strike coins produced by early die-state reverse B dies should be like proofs struck on business 25c planchets . I would imagine there are 1959 25c struck from proof obverse dies with reverse A and vice-versa.
Michael

wondercoin

Michael: Thanks for the useful information. Regarding your comment on most of the 1960's being common- I spoke with someone recently who suggested a few of the 1960's were actually very tough in MS66 grade or better. One such date being 1961. Earlier this year, I was bidding for a 1961 quarter in MS66 I thought had a shot to go MS67. The coin was selling for more than MS66 money and I just figured it was someone else paying "upgrade" money for the coin. It turned out it was an "advanced" (for lack of a better word) variety collector chasing the Ty B 1961 coin.

Bottom line is the coins are relatively cheap, fun to collect and quite interesting. If they never "catch on" to the masses - no biggie.

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cladking

<< <i>

Bottom line is the coins are relatively cheap, fun to collect and quite interesting. If they never "catch on" to the masses - no biggie. >>



They are a lot of fun. It would seem they are likely to catch on since there
are so many of them in circulation. Some are quite scarce but there are many
are scarce enough to be interesting and there are even a few "common" ones
to keep newbies looking.

IrishMike

<< <i>What is an "advanced" silver washington collector? >>



Well what is it?

IrishMike

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<< <i>What is an "advanced" silver washington collector? >>



Well what is it? >>



First of all you must have a top 50 registry set. You must have handled at least 10,000 of these and then you must make

a formal application. If us advanced Washington boys like you then you are considered advanced. If we dont like you then

you can re-apply next year. In your case IrishMike you may want to wait until 2005/ >>



Wouldn't want to join a club that would accept me as a member. BTW who comprises the "we" and who is in charge of admissions? You obviously include yourself, I'd need for you to scan your ID in here to prove that. Any moron can open a registry set, spend a lot of money and be top 50, go look at some of the sets, the proof is already there. Is your buddy Mr. Platinum an advance collector?

MoneyLA

No need to be hostile, Mike. they've tried to call me an "advanced Washington collector" for years, but I keep returning the certificate, key to the boardroom, member button and beanie, and official watch fob with a framed state quarter. I was afraid that official designation of "advanced" would target me for higher prices when I tried to buy a coin. cheers, alan mendelson

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Craig: Additinally, I asked the question here, because I had no idea where 1959 ranked in difficulty. Luckily, one of the "advanced" collectors emailed me with the rankings of the difficulty of all TY B reverses and I now have the information I was looking for. Bascially, 1959 is around average to slightly below average in the difficulty of these issues.

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IrishMike

Lighten up, it was an attempt to inject some humor and same time get some info. I was trying to parody the question, advanced, is that less than an expert etc. Don't get you panties in a bind over this. Obviously by putting advanced in the title one has to make a judgment of whether they think they are advanced and if not what do they call themselves. Maybe no one else shares my humor over this. And Alan, having money and being able to read an insert doesn't qualify as anything except as opportunity and timing. There is just a little bit of snobbishness that floats around here on occasion and this demonstrates it. So everyone lighten up, be happy.

MoneyLA

I was being light?????

Silvermonstercoins

The only truly rare type b reverse coin is the 1956. In any MS grade above ms63 they would be highly collectible and more valueable then most think. I have two myself and a MS67 PCGS 1958. The other years were produced with approx 5 percent of the dies for their particular year so you can do the math from there.

I have all of the years either in slabs or raw. I put away everyone I come across in any year in MS especially any coin which is MS65 and above and in a slab since they are mildly rare in all years.