Is the 1972 Topps market really this bad?
NeilDowney
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Hi Guys, Is the 1972 Topps markey really this bad? I was a long time 1972 Topps collector who completed this set about a year ago. I have since sold all of the 1972 Topps cards from the set except the regular Mets player cards (not the IA, BHP or league leaders). I still have three of these non-regular cards for sale on Ebay. They are the Danny Frisella IA #294 PSA 8 NQ, NL ERA Leaders (Seaver) #91 PSA 8 NQ and the Jerry Koosman IA #698 PSA 8 NQ cards. The first two are pretty common but the Koosman IA was kind of a hard card to get in a PSA 8 when I collected the set. Now I can't get $3 each for the first two and $20 for the Koosman IA. I just can't believe that these cool looking cards don't get anywhere near the respect that they used to. This is a great set! Is it just my cards or did the bottom really drop out of the market on these colorful cards? Neil
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I just recently finished my 1972 set (90% raw) back in September and all I can say about the set is that SMR guide is overpriced. I picked up the Koosman IA PSA 8 for $14.50 back in July on ebay. I have about 40 or so graded High #'s commons in PSA 8 and most of them I gave between $8-$10. each on ebay. When I see dealers (non-ebay) trying to get $16 to $19 to high # commons in PSA 8's I have to wonder how they are still around. I understand that ebay is the worlds largest garage sale, but after 2yrs searching trade shows and card shops trying to complete this set, only to find overpriced raw/slabbed commons, It's doubtfull i'll ever visit any more again (except maybe for supplies)!
Take care,
Mark
(bbcards4me)
I think the 72 o-pee-chee baseball PSA 8's will
outperform the 72 Topps PSA 8's in the long run.
Demand is low on opc, but supply is also.
If more people collect opc baseball, then prices will surely outperform Topps.
On the other hand, the 1971 PSA 8 market seems pretty respectable.
SW
BTW, if you list the Frisella IA again for $3, I can guarantee it will sell.
2005 Origins Old Judge Brown #/20 and Black 1/1s, 2000 Ultimate Victory Gold #/25
2004 UD Legends Bake McBride autos & parallels, and 1974 Topps #601 PSA 9
Rare Grady Sizemore parallels, printing plates, autographs
Nothing on ebay
I also had a guy offer me $18 apiece for 40 different 1972 PSA 9's about 20 minutes before the auctions closed if I'd take the auctions down. I politely declined and explained that "sure... I might get less than that but I didn't want to piss off so many bidders by shutting down auctions at the last minute." Well... he bid on those cards and didn't win a single one of them. I know... better than $18 is nothing to brag about - but some of the prices were fairly respectable in the $45 to $50 range.
As helionaut mentioned - its just a down cycle right now. They'll come back (somewhat) as other people get involved and we see certain sets get hot and then cool off all the time.
Sets - 1970, 1971 and 1972
Always looking for 1972 O-PEE-CHEE Baseball in PSA 9 or 10!
lynnfrank@earthlink.net
outerbankyank on eBay!
<< <i>Hi, For anyone who is interested, all three cards are currently running on Ebay under the seller name of RUGRATS. Neil >>
I'll buy any psa 9 for $10.50. regardless of the player.
cardknowledge@earthlink.net
People sometimes buy the grade of the card and not really the card itself. Thus they begin to think any PSA card is worth something because of the investment of getting it graded. But in reality, a piece of plastic can't make a card that much more valuable than it really is. So a .05 card in a $10 slab might brigh $6, but not likely to get you $10.05. You just cant tack on the grading fees like that.
Though with this month's special, you will probably come out ok on what ever you send in.
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<< <i> Though with this month's special, you will probably come out ok on what ever you send in. >>
I really can't find much of anything to submit anymore with great success. Truely mint raw lots from the 70's seem relatively tough to come by, at least for me. Even when I do find them, there really isn't any commons from the 70's worth grading anymore. The key to that is if 8's will retreive grading fees. The answer for the most part is no (excluding 71's). You would have to get 90% 9's or pay a grading fee that was equivelent to a PSA 8 selling price, to make the cards worth grading.
If I send in 100 1975 Topps cards and wind up with 15 9's and 85 8's (which is pretty typical), and I lose $1-$2 on ebay off each of my 8's (after ebay and paypal fees), then how much would I need to sell the 9's for just to break even? If I know that my 8's will be a wash at the end, then I will submit until my face turns blue and make the profit on the 9's with no fear of too many 8's. And that's not taking into consideration the hours and hours I would have spent searching for the cards, louping the cards, and packaging them up to PSA. That's why I say that submitting 70's stuff is almost a waste unless your doing it for your own set. I would like to know what grading price PSA gives out when dealers can dump lots like this (59 cents per card), and still make a profit at the end of the month.
What is surprising though is that many collector's will spend $6-$8 per card to have their cards graded for their set but won't pay $6 for a PSA 8 on ebay. In the end, their still gonna pay $5-$6 per 8 for their set (unless their hitting 9's at an unbelievable pace).
<< <i>Careful with that 10.50 stuff, there are guys that will sell to you all day at that price. I can think of a few things I would unload at that price too.
People sometimes buy the grade of the card and not really the card itself. Thus they begin to think any PSA card is worth something because of the investment of getting it graded. But in reality, a piece of plastic can't make a card that much more valuable than it really is. So a .05 card in a $10 slab might brigh $6, but not likely to get you $10.05. You just cant tack on the grading fees like that.
Thanks for the lesson on the card market. I aprreciate it. NOW send me ALL and ANY PSA 9 PRE 1975 cards for my offer and I will buy them!
I AM BUYING THE PLASTIC......NOT THE CARDS!
Cardknowledge@earthlink.net
I'm glad you are a $10/PSA 9 card man. I would appreciate an $80 bid on this auction ending tomorrow:
1973 Topps PSA 9 NQ lot of 8 cards
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1956 Topps PSA 8's+(active)
1969 Topps PSA 8's+(retired)
1972 Topps PSA 9's+(active)
1973 Topps PSA 9's+(retired)
1986 Topps PSA Perfect(active)
1997 Flair Legacy's(active)
<< <i>So a .05 card in a $10 slab might brigh $6, but not likely to get you $10.05. >>
But it's still a .05 card.