1969-S double die obverse Lincoln question
Dan50
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I need some information on where best to obtain info on the 69-S ddo Lincoln. Such as were there more than one die var. with this coin. Case in point, the 55 ddo had also what is known as the poor mans dbl die. My reason for asking is to try to decide if my 69- S is the one listed on the PCGS pop report. I don't want to submit it under the wrong coin number. Any help will be greatly welcomed. Dan.
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I would think you would get your answer with a good scan of the coin.
Al
Go to www.money.org , the ANA Marketplace shop has an extensive Lincoln variety book section for sale.
Good luck.
If you can somehow get a picture ofthe coin, several people here can tell you if you have the ultra-rare variety or the more common strike-doubled version.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Bill
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Just went through an OBW roll of those !
1 possible RPM and 10 total nice MS coins,if ya dont hit the big kahuna,look at the pops and prices of the ms 66 and 7 coins,you might be a happy camper !
Proof
http://www.coingallery.org/1969SDDOPCGSMS65RD.html
My roll was marked "Bowser Inc., Sunnyvale,Calif."
The coin was initially thought to be a counterfeit.
See Breen 2252
My roll was in my dads hoard,im sure he had not searched it,he really had no interest in coins.
Probably bought it after my Mother died in 1968.
Link O Rama
Proof
Copper coins book would indicate this coin is machine double and not the real McCoy ?
If you have a double date and a single mint and Liberty,maybees you have something !
Proof
Now how's THAT for a describing a DD.
Proof, my LIBERTY is doubled.
If you have multiple devices that are doubled,would it have to be machine doubled ?
Very Likely.
That link i posted would seem to be machine doubling !
Not a true DDO,unless i am mistaken !
True DD would be more like an RPM ?
I thought that would be D/D.
DD = Doubled Die. Well at least in my happy little anti-logical mind it rests comfortably.
D/D would be an RPM
We are talking about the DDO of the 1969S Linky,DDO of the 1969 ONLY
If the coin exibits a doubled 1969 only and not the MM or Liberty it's likely the Lottery !
The Link i posted is a machine double or triple coin and not the real deal.
Proof
RELLA
who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
twenty times.
Close-ups of the date and LIBERTY:
RELLA
who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
twenty times.
<< <i>The Link i posted is a machine double or triple coin and not the real deal. >>
Proof, I'm confused because the link you posted
Link-O-Rama
IS a doubled die.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
BTW, if you have to ask, it is NOT the real Mcoy as looking at the real thing you'd be dizzy & nauseus (I know I spelt that rong - I think???) inside of 30 seconds.
The key thing to look for with machine doubling is the shelf-like/flat appearance of the first strike, as Lane mentioned. A machine doubled strike is one strike that "chatters" due to a loose die, resulting in the die rubbing against the planchet between the quick successive hits. Hence the flat look of the initial hit. A doubled die has true doubled impressions transferred from the die, which originated from the hub it was created with. The key is rounded edges of the devices (as designed) and complete separation of the details in some cases. You really have to recreate the minting process to understand it, it still confuses me.
and there were some counterfeit DDO's to turn up about the same time. The Secret
Service declared them all counterfeit and destroyed at least a few good ones before
it was discovered that some were good.
These are, unsurprisingly, tough in high grade.
Lets see if we can straighten this out as i believe it happened.
the portrait was hubbed to the die with 1 hub
the motto and date and liberty with another hub
then the mint mark was stamped directly on the die
is this correct ?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
The hub has all of the design for the coin except the mintmark. In order to impress the design completely into the die it has to be forced into the die once, the die is annealed to soften it, and then the hub is forced into it a second time. If the hub and the die are not properly aligned when the die is put into the press for the second hubbing two images will be created in the die. After the second hubbing, the mintmark is punched into the die, it is hardened, cleaned, and put into production.