Am I Seeing What I Think? Broadstruck 3CN. *** Coin in hand opinion is ***

itsnotjustme

I just purchased this coin from a dealer. The listing mentioned neither the die clash (common on these coins) nor the aparent broad strike. Notice the extreme weakness in the lower hair?

LALASD4

Intersting.

astrorat

Nice piece. It certainly appears to be broadstruck. Have you measured the diameter? It looks like it is in a slab, if so which company?

Lane

itsnotjustme

It's NGC MS63. I just purchased off the web, so I cannot measure it yet. Look at the rim beading as well... some of the obverse is partial, much of the reverse is non-existant.

I wonder if properly graded as an error if it would grade higher. I suspect this coin was penalized for the very weak strike. Does NGC have a separate service for errors like PCGS? I wonder if it was submitted without realizing the (apparent) error.

itsnotjustme

Here's a link to another 1865 certified as broadstruck MS62 by NGC. The other is more uncentered than this one.

Heritage Auction Link

jonathanb

I think it's a normal strike. The reverse seems pretty well centered. I'd lean towards a misaligned die. The denticles don't sway me either way -- this series often comes up mushy there, so it's hard to base a decision on them.

jonathan

goose3

I might be a mis-aligned die.

airplanenut

Regardless of the error, that's a wicked cool coin--that clash rocks

poorguy

I think it's a normal strike. The reverse seems pretty well centered. I'd lean towards a misaligned die. The denticles don't sway me either way -- this series often comes up mushy there, so it's hard to base a decision on them.

I agree. To compliment this statement I would also like to say that the die clash is very nice but not very hard to find on 3c Nickels. Super Nice Coin!

jonathanb

...but maybe more to the point, what's going on between the 6 and the 5 near the denticles? Cherrypickers lists FS 3CN-001 that has the top "flag" of a 5 more or less in that spot. Look closely when you get it in hand...

jonathan

itsnotjustme

I see what you mean on the possible 5 flag. I will look closely when it arrives. Thanks for pointing that out.

As for the possible mis-aligned die, wouldn't there be less rim space on the other side if it were misaligned enough to leave that wide rim on one side?

michael

i think this coin is a true broadstrike and has great eye appeal with great clashing too

but for me i think it is a liner error coin a judgment call it is sooooooooo close it is but it is not BUT IT IS!!!!



one of the closest just made it broadstrike i have ever seen on a three cent nickel

it can go either way AT THE SERVICES in my opinion


michael

dorkkarl

does not appear broadstruck to me.

K S

kryptonitecomics

I agree with what others have said....it looks close to me, but I don't think anybody is going to certify it as a broadstruck.......very cool coin regardless!!!!

Trime

Since there is a debate on this particular coin, perhaps it would be helpful to define broadstruck.

JadeRareCoin

perhaps it would be helpful to define broadstruck.

Coin struck with the collar retracted so that the metal will not be retained, resulting in an oversized coin. I think that the 3CN in this thread is a "partial broadstruck" coin, imho. Not rare, not common, but also limited demand for a broadstrike of this magnitude, hence little to no additional value. It does add lots of character, however. I really like it!

itsnotjustme

I'll give it a careful look when it arrives. Some thoughts...

Mis-aligned die: The dies appear to be in proper vertical alignment because the excess rim area is on the same (coin flipped) parts of the coin. If it were mis-aligned in the horizontal plane I would expect the details to be stronger on the side that was closer together... i.e. stronger strike. This would be the K3 to K7 on the obverse, where the hair and date details are very weak. Then look at the word STATES would be weak to go with the weak rim.... STATES is strong as can be.

I'll measure it when it arrives, and examine it for any clue as to partial collar. I also PM'd Fred Weinberg to see if he'll comment.

ms70

Here's one for reference. Note it also has die clash.

itsnotjustme

Well, after looking at the coin I think it is a mis-aligned obverse die. The die appears to be slightly off to the right, and probably struck first/hardest in the NE. The reverse detail really shows it, as does the obverse lettering. With the mis-alignment, the other side was allowed to kinds of squirt into the empty space where the obverse die should have been, leading to the excess rim on that side and the severe lack of reverse denticals.

As for the flag of the 5, there is a wedge of extra metal there. I found a picture of an FS-001, and this extra metal is in the right place. On the other coin I found, it is a little sharper looking. This one looks a jagged.

I have cracked it and am sending it to PCGS on an error invoice. I'll list it as FS-001 and mis-aligned die. We'll see what they do with it. Since they are getting $30 for the grading, they can do the homework!

eyoung429

Dang fine coin!!! Awesome die clash..!!!!

shylock

Cool coin, it figures it's an 1865. I think Cheech & Chong were running the presses that year! I use to own a circulated example that was almost identicle minus the misaligned strike. It had the same struck thru grease lower obverse and major clashmarks (I think IrishMike owns it now).

lava

If you are looking for substantive feedback, shouldn't you consider a presidential review?

itsnotjustme

<< <i>If you are looking for substantive feedback, shouldn't you consider a presidential review? >>

I bought this in an NGC MS63 slab. I just cracked it yesterday, and it sits in a flip now hopefully to mail Saturday or Monday to PCGS. No need for a presidential review because they have not graded it yet. I'm hoping for an MS64 with the mis-aligned die and FS-001 designations.

I never thought of the weak strike near the neck were from a grease filled die. I was thinking with the mis-ligned die the strike pressures just weren't there to fill that part of the design.