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1/2 grades, SGC, GAI, Crackout vs. Regrades

NosoupyouNosoupyou Posts: 47
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It seems that the consensus on the board is to crack and resubmit as opposed to regrade. What kind of success has anybody had regrading? When I resubmit I would say about 40-50% of the time I have gotten an upgrade.

I have several 48 Bowmans (Bball) that I have submitted with about 25% coming back as "evid of trimming". I know that this is a tough card to grade because of the way the cards were originally hand cut. I have measured, looked at the backs etc. and can't tell any difference on some of the ones that were holdered vs. evid of trimming. I am afraid to crack and resubmit the 6's I got for fear of getting the dreaded "evid of trimming". Any suggestions? GAI or SGC on these cards?

My other issue is that I have nearly a complete set of 57-58 bball topps that I have been sending in for grades slowly. Every one of these cards came out of vending box find in Texas. They are "pack fresh" and as we all know, not all "pack fresh" cards are created equal. However, I have received a few 8's, more 6's and mostly 7's so far. I am considering trying SGC or GAI for this set because it is tough to have a card sitting in a 7 holder that you know will get at least a 7.5 or possibly 8 elsewhere. I am going to experiment with GAI and SGC with a few cards and see what comes back. The question is, would you pay more for a SGC 84, GAI 7.5 or a PSA 7? I love PSA and have sets in the registry but how does everyone else feel about this issue.

Interested to hear what people think!

Comments

  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
    Great find. I am admittedly biased so I would pay more for the PSA 7. That being said, you also have to consider that some folks purchase the half-grades with the hope that they can cross it over in an upward direction. This may mean a little more money for the seller.
  • kobykoby Posts: 1,699 ✭✭


    << <i> The question is, would you pay more for a SGC 84, GAI 7.5 or a PSA 7? >>




    Absolutely not.

    SGC 84 should be the equivalent of PSA 7, so the PSA card should be more valuable.

    Certainly not GAI, because every GAI card that I have purchased appears to be grossly overgraded.


  • 67standup67standup Posts: 833 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i> The question is, would you pay more for a SGC 84, GAI 7.5 or a PSA 7? >>




    Absolutely not.

    SGC 84 should be the equivalent of PSA 7, so the PSA card should be more valuable.

    Certainly not GAI, because every GAI card that I have purchased appears to be grossly overgraded. >>



    Hi Koby,

    If an SGC 84 is the equivalent of a PSA 7, why should the PSA be more valuable? I realize that they currently command higher prices (especially post war), but does that mean they should since an 84=7? No grading card debate here, just curious. My collection is probably 70% PSA, 30% SGC.
    “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
  • kobykoby Posts: 1,699 ✭✭


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    Hi Koby,

    If an SGC 84 is the equivalent of a PSA 7, why should the PSA be more valuable? I realize that they currently command higher prices (especially post war), but does that mean they should since an 84=7? No grading card debate here, just curious. My collection is probably 70% PSA, 30% SGC. >>




    84 = 7

    86 = 7.5 However, since PSA does not have half point values, SGC 86 = PSA 7

    I think 84 is a low end 7 while an 86 is a high end 7. Most collectors prefer high end cards over low end cards and will pay less for low end cards.


  • kobykoby Posts: 1,699 ✭✭
    ....of course that is not taking into consideration that a PSA card will usually outsell its GAI or SGC counterpart on most issues.
  • A761506A761506 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    I agree with Kobe on this... I'll pay more for the PSA graded card in a 7 holder than a GAI in a 7.5 or a SGC in a 84 or 86 holder if it's a card I really wanted in that grade. I do not own a single GAI card and for good reason, I would be extremely hesitant to purchase a card in their holders. To me, they are tied with Beckett for a distant third place among the legit companies, with PSA and SGC being 1 and 2 respectively.
    But, in some cases, GAI makes more sense... for instance... if I have cards that are solid 8's with PSA, GAI would be more likely to grade them 8.5 and 9's (and from what I've seen and heard, they may even be willing to holder cards that were rejected by PSA), and if I was going to sell them, someone would probably pay roughtly equal to a PSA 8 for a GAI 8.5, and a little more for the 9's.
  • NosoupyouNosoupyou Posts: 47
    Thanks for the replies, i meant to say SGC 86 (7.5) vs. PSA 7. I have also noticed that people tend to think that SGC doesn't consider centering as much of a critical component of the grade as PSA.

    I think I will crack some of the 7's out and send them in for a test run at both SGC and GAI. I'll report back my findings. The vending box find was 10-12 years ago and a dealer named Willy Erving was running around the shows in Texas back then with stacks of every card in the set and any degree of centering you would like. Apparently, however, as referenced in the book that PSA put out, many of these cards from the Texas find, even with decent centering, had color registration problems and thus the high number of 7's. For cards from 1957 they look awesome to me.

    Also, does anybody know if PSA will grade 48 bowman greybacks that have the movie star misprint on the back of the card?
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