Are Jefferson Nickels now a 'closed' set??
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My question.... the Jefferson nickel reverse was changed this year to two different reverses. Next year, the obverse is going to be dramatically changed, and again two different reverses will be used, if I understand this correctly.
So would the new nickel next year now be a new type since it is a major design change? And isn't the new obverse going to be continued to be used after next year, even though a different Monticello is supposed to be created?
If this is all true, it would seem to me that this year would now be the last year of the original Jefferson Nickel type, and thus be a closed set. Or is my reasoning faulty??........
And if the new Jefferson Nickel would be considered a new type, what would we call it?
So would the new nickel next year now be a new type since it is a major design change? And isn't the new obverse going to be continued to be used after next year, even though a different Monticello is supposed to be created?
If this is all true, it would seem to me that this year would now be the last year of the original Jefferson Nickel type, and thus be a closed set. Or is my reasoning faulty??........
And if the new Jefferson Nickel would be considered a new type, what would we call it?
----- kj
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a nice change into the new design for 2006. To my mind the Jefferson series
is already a closed set though and 2003 was the last issue.
That's pretty much my thought too. Although I likened the Lewis and Clark special reverses of 2004 to be similar to the special Bicentennial designs from 1976, which are considered to be part of the Washington quarter, etc. series.... just a special design, but the obverse essentially remained the same.
So I guess the real question could be.... what constitutes a new 'type'? A changed obverse? A changed reverse? Or both?
As long as Jefferson is still on the obverse, I think they will be Jefferson
nickels, but there will be a clear line drawn between the 1938-2003 classics,
2004-2005 commems, and the 2006- moderns!
Who'd ever thunk a Jeff nickel would be a classic!
Ken
<< <i>I'm with Ken on this. The Jefferson we all know and some love ended in 2003. I see no reason to include anything since in the same league. >>
Your logic would not convince collectors of Seated Liberty Coins. Whether half dimes or dimes (two very different reverses) or quarters, halves and dollars (with or without motto) and some short-lived varieities in between (arrows. arrows and rays),. the series is determined by the obverse.
Lincoln cents didn't exactly become an obsolete type in 1959, either.
I think in a few years they'll break it off as a new set, after the get enough to make it set with.
<< <i>Do we know for certain if the designs in 2006 will be different from that used from 1938-2003? Would it be considered a closed series if the original designs are brought back?
The mint has said that they intend to change the designs for 2006 and beyond
and have hinted that they will retain next years obverse. If they did bring back
the 2003 design then few would argue it's a new set rather than a continuation
of the old.
nickels, but there will be a clear line drawn between the 1938-2003 classics,
2004-2005 commems, and the 2006- moderns!" - solid
I agree and will continue to collect P, D and S Proof Jeffersons as though there was no change in design. As long as I have space and the coins still fit the holes in the albums everything will go in the same Dansco.
Having said that I will note that COINS MAGAZINE has new KM#'s listed for the 2004 Peace and Keelboat reverses. KM# 360 denotes the Peace reverse and KM# 361 the Keelboat. The original Jefferson/Monticello design (1938-1942) is KM# 192. War Nickels (1942-1945) are KM# 192a. The return to the original design in 1946 is KM# A192.
Didn't Senator Mickey Kantor (?) of Virginia get legislation passed that mandated a return to a Jefferson/Monticello design after 2005?
<< <i>I'm with you cladiator...I need a whole new nickle too. Maybe Jimmy Carter with a Gobrecht-like eagle on the reverse with star field. >>
Removing one politician for another solves nothing, IMO; you still have the same politics influencing design change decisions (or lack thereof).
<< <i>Your logic would not convince collectors of Seated Liberty Coins. Whether half dimes or dimes (two very different reverses) or quarters, halves and dollars (with or without motto) and some short-lived varieities in between (arrows. arrows and rays),. the series is determined by the obverse. >>
Agreed, but as a FS Jeff collector and only a FS Jeff collector, I personally cannot accept the new reverses as part and parcel of the series. It leaves me with the feeling of starting a new series to collect and at this point in time, I also don't think the higher graded Peace and Keelboat Jeffs are worth buying as more are sure to crop up thus lowering the value. This is of course, were I interested in them---which I'm not.
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