What is a Conder token?

python

What's the difference between them and the other halfpenny tokens?

lordmarcovan

Good question.

And while we're at it, would this piece, listed in US coin publications like the Red Book because of its association with Benjamin Franklin, also be considered a Conder token? It's certainly the right era and has the right appearance.



Aha. I see it is, having just read the coinfacts.com blurb on the page where I snatched the pictures from.

So there's at least one Liteside Conder token.

That would be a good trivia question to quiz the Litesiders on, provided you don't let Conder101 answer.

farthing

Conder tokens refer to tokens minted in a specific time frame in Great Britain. The series begins with the Parys Mine Company tokens of 1787. The majority were minted prior to 1800 but a few were minted later, the latest one with a date is dated 1808.

Some more information

Several of the tokens are listed in the Red Book. I believe that these few are the only ones PGCS will slab.
The two best known ones are the Franklin Press that LM showed and the Kentucky Token.
Several of the Washington pieces are also listed as Conder tokens -
The 1791 Cent, the 1791 Liverpool Halfpenny, the 1793 Ship Halfpenny, the Liberty and Security tokens and the North Wales halfpenny.

Conder101

Actually the Franklin Press token has absolutely nothing to o with Benjamin Franklin other than the name Franklin and that it was issued for a printer and Benjamin Franklin was once a printer. There was no family or business relationship between the Londen printer and the colonial statesman.

I know of an 1801 and an 1803 token, what is the 1808?

The closest thing to a lightside Conder token would be the Talbot Allen & Lee tokens issued in by the New York Merchants in 1794 and 95. They were issued at the same time and for the same reasons, a shortage of coinage caused the merchant to issue his own tokens for use as change with the intent that they circulate as money. They were engraved and struck by the same Birmingham manufacturers that produced most of the Conder tokens. And the Liberty & Commerce die was also muled with several English dies to produce Conder tokens tokens that did circulate in England. (And later many of the TAL tokens were cut down and used for planchets for half cents at the US Mint. Mainly for 1797 C-1 half cents.)

farthing

Looks like Dalton & Hamer include pieces dated up to 1819 - 19th C. copper from Fifshire, pg 439 of the 1996 version of D&H.

Though you will get no argument from me that the turn of the century was the end of the Conder token period. My latest dated one is 1801.

Aethelred

Tokens issued in Great Britain and Ireland from the 1780s until about 1799 (with a few later exceptions), in denominations of Penny, Halfpenny and Farthing are considered Conder Tokens. The token shown by LordM above is a Conder.

farthing

There are a few issues that state a value greater than 1 penny. Face values go all the way to 1 Crown.

Below is my 1/2 Crown - Warwickshire Birmingham DH #1 (from Davisson's Mail Auction #21 June 2004 - #272)

lordmarcovan

<< <i>Below is my 1/2 Crown - Warwickshire Birmingham DH #1 (from Davisson's Mail Auction #21 June 2004 - #272) >>



Looks like they inked the wrong lot number on it.

Askari

Actually, the inked number is probably a museum's accession number, or an earlier dealer's ID no.

python

Thanks you guys. Sounds like England had the same problem the colonies did.