A perfect example of how poorly Ebay feedback represents a seller

Barry

Here's an auction for a PCI slabbed large cent. Where does this clown quote his price from? CQR. The common scammer would use the PCGS guide. This guy goes above and beyond, equating EAC grading with PCI. In case you haven't looked yet, his feedback is 100% positive.

Russ

That's strange. He doesn't mention PCI in the auction title.

Russ, NCNE

JrGMan2004

Looks like a regular collector selling a coin...

Dog97

So exactly how does 100% positive feedback praising his payment, shipping and coin quality poorly represent this seller?
All looks well to me.

100proof1957

Likely Scammer !
4 year old account and no feedback is available to view

Conder101

Penny Prices, which is the replacement for CQR on pricing copper in EAC does list the S-226 at $3500 in XF-40 so that is where he got his price.

Boom

HEY MAN....I asked the seller a very polite question and he ended the listing. I simply said."Man that sure is a nice coin and I'm interested in it. With all the goings on at eBay would you mind sending me a picture of it in the slab? You don't have to answer publicly but I sure would appreciate a full shot of it in the slab." Next thing ya know...he ended the listing! WHAT'S UP WITH THAT??

Barry

<< <i>So exactly how does 100% positive feedback praising his payment, shipping and coin quality poorly represent this seller?
All looks well to me. >>


Because he's saying a PCI grade correlates with a value quoted from a price list that uses EAC grading. That doesn't sit well with me.

I sent him an email asking him if he was an ANA member. He responded no, and asked me why I wanted to know. I told him if he was a member I was going to file an ethics complaint against him. It was shortly thereafter he ended the auction.

EvilMCT

I understand your point about using EAC pricing and PCI grading. If he had used PCGS' guide, people would complain about that as well. So, does PCI have a price guide? If not, what price guide should he/she point to for potential buyers?

Ken

Barry

In reality he shouldn't quote any price. As you say there is no guide for PCI overgraded coins. However, I wouldn't fault him if he quoted CW's Coin Values. That's a non-specific, retail price guide, as opposed to CQR or the PCGS guide which are specifically for coins graded to specific standards.

ldhair

Just trying to understand this. If the coin were raw would it make a differance?
Should folks just not quote price guides?

From the image I would call the obv. EF-40 with the rev. something less.
Anyone see a problem with the coin itself?

I wonder if it's an old PCI slab.

Dog97

<<<Because he's saying a PCI grade correlates with a value quoted from a price list that uses EAC grading. That doesn't sit well with me.>>>
Ok thanks. Now I see what you're talking about.

mr1931S

"there is no guide for PCI overgraded coins."

I submit that there is no price guide for any overgraded coin.

"The common scammer would use the PCGS guide."

I've found the PCGS guide, although not perfect, to be very useful in pricing for buying and selling. My opinion is that the ebay coin seller can avoid most criticism of his pricing by referring to no specific price guide whatsoever. There is nothing wrong or unethical with a seller stating what he thinks his coin is worth irrespective of what any specific price guide "says." It's called marketing.

Any potential buyer is free to accept, reject or ignore a seller's statements about what a coin should be "worth." If the opinion of the buyer is that the coin doesn't measure up to expectations for the price paid, return it for refund within the return privilege time, get the money back and move on.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>Just trying to understand this. If the coin were raw would it make a differance?
Should folks just not quote price guides?

From the image I would call the obv. EF-40 with the rev. something less.
Anyone see a problem with the coin itself?

I wonder if it's an old PCI slab. >>



An excellent point. I dunno about EAC and whatnot, but I agree- that obverse certainly looks EF40 or better to me. It's a good looking coin, though the color makes me wonder. I too wonder if it is in an old PCI green label slab- I have found some of those to be undergraded. (Or I guess there's a small chance that it could be in an old PCI red label slab, too, and he didn't want to mention that...)

Fairlaneman

Yep from what I see this guy is the slime of the earth. May he rot in hell for quoting the price he did. Just possibly he may also be the Scammer of Scammers on Ebay with a perfect Feedback rating.

Tell me now exactly how you figured this guy out so quickly ?

Ken

ldhair

Boom

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW??? I SAID THAT RIGHT AFTER IS ASKED HIM TO SEE A FULL SHOT OF THE SLAB HE YANKED THE ITEM!! HELLOOOOOOO.......CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW????

mr1931S

"I asked the seller a very polite question and he ended the listing. I simply said."Man that sure is a nice coin and I'm interested in it. With all the goings on at eBay would you mind sending me a picture of it in the slab? You don't have to answer publicly but I sure would appreciate a full shot of it in the slab." Next thing ya know...he ended the listing!"

Maybe his ending the listing has nothing to do with your very polite question?

I checked some of this seller's feedback as a seller. Didn't see any really low feedback numbers for his satisfied buyers. What's up with that?

mrearlygold

<< <i>CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW??? I SAID THAT RIGHT AFTER IS ASKED HIM TO SEE A FULL SHOT OF THE SLAB HE YANKED THE ITEM!! HELLOOOOOOO.......CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW???? >>






Boom boom boom boom


gonna shootcha right down

A little Eric Burdon lingo


Tom

mr1931S

"I sent him an email asking him if he was an ANA member. He responded no, and asked me why I wanted to know. I told him if he was a member I was going to file an ethics complaint against him. It was shortly thereafter he ended the auction."


Seller pulled auction because of "an error in the listing." He is a member of ebay. If you feel this strongly about this sellers ethics, or lack thereof, why not file an ethics complaint with ebay?

End an auction because of an error in the listing. Seems like an ethical thing to do.

BowTieCoins

A little off topic maybe. I have had some bad buys from seller who advertize 100% satisfaction. But wait to leave feedback until, you do.
So i eat it, and leave none. Our policy is that we leave feedback as soon as we rec payment. This giving the buyer some leverage if unhappy. This dosen't worry me because, if ever a problem we just take care of it. I think leaving feedback as soon as the buyer has completed his end of the transaction should be a rule., Chris

ANACONDA

He said in his auction:

"Copper qoutes has this listed at $3500"....

what would have done/thought if he would have said:

"Copper quotes lists an XF40 at $3500"

??

mr1931S

"Our policy is that we leave feedback as soon as we rec payment."

My OT opinion is that you have a good policy. Why, as a seller, lose sleep over the possibility that a buyer might leave negative feedback after you have left positive? If a seller stands behind his/her item with a return policy, has done a proper and timely shipping and good communications have been and continue to be there, a reasonable buyer would be hard-pressed to leave negative feedback for the seller.

Treat people with courtesy and respect, without expectation, and good things will happen. 100% feedback is a good thing on ebay.

mr1931S

"100% feedback is a good thing on ebay."

100% positive feedback.