1915 Buffalo - AT or NT?

relayer

1915 Buffalo Nickel CH GEM BU Rainbow

coinguy1

It looks AT to me.

TUMUSS

That's sure looks good to me...would love to examine in hand first though.

relayer

It kind of looks like the twin of the PCGS book example that turned out to be AT

Russ

<< <i>It kind of looks like the twin of the PCGS book example that turned out to be AT >>





Russ, NCNE

Dog97

Russ & relayer how did you know what I was going to say?

CalGold

Actually it does NOT look like the picture in the PCGS grading book. That picuture shows a coin that has concentric toning in a ring pattern as if caused by an album or other holder. The toning on the ebay coin, especially the puky pink (which seems to be common on AT coins), is more streaky and blotchy, popping up here and there on the coin. The yelllow covering the face also is quite different.

The coin seems to have high point rub that the toner has attempted to obscure in order to pass it off as MS.

coinguy1

Actually, whether that 1936 Proof that Russ posted is AT or not, it at least looks similar to a number of other naturally toned brilliant Proof 1936 and 1937 Buffaloes.

The 1915, on the other hand, does not look natural to me - I would bet heavily against it.

Proofs typically tone differently than business strikes do.

Tonelover

MS-68 at least.

coinguy1

Jon, some forum members might not realize that you were speaking in jest.

JadeRareCoin

It's difficult to say from an image. If I had to guess, I would say AT. Also, the method of photography (including the coin stand) reminds me of a seller on eBay who is notorious for selling AT crap and cleaned garbage. Maybe that influenced my opinion. Hmmmm.

Russ

What about this one?



AT or NT?

Russ, NCNE

Steve27

Russ, yours looks better to me, toning is limited to one side, but they could both be AT.

skier07

I would not buy raw from this seller. I have had previous correspondences from him about his return
policy and I still don't know what exactly it is. Communicating with him gave me bad feelings. Bought
an inexpensive slabbed Morgan from him and the transaction went smoothly.

Bruce

RGT

I've looked at this sellers auctions, but I've never been tempted to bid. I do have a question about a few of his coins though. What do you hold this with as you rotate it in the flame (so as to not burn your fingers)? Ooops, looks like he may have burnt a finger on this one. And here is another Morgan that must have toned in the same "album" as the first one. Looks like he held them in the "album" a bit too long as they seem a bit over-done at the rim.

Russ

<< <i>What do you hold this with as you rotate it in the flame (so as to not burn your fingers)? >>



I think that one is chemical. I have a very similar Morgan that was done with liver of sulphur.

Russ, NCNE

Coinhusker1

<< <i>I've looked at this sellers auctions, but I've never been tempted to bid. I do have a question about a few of his coins though. What do you hold <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39465&item=3933979331&rd=1" target=blank>this</A> with as you rotate it in the flame (so as to not burn your fingers)? Ooops, looks like he may have burnt a finger on <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39465&item=3933979352&rd=1" target=blank>this</A> one. And <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39466&item=3933983435&rd=1" target=blank>here</A> is another Morgan that must have toned in the same "album" as the first one. Looks like he held them in the "album" a bit too long as they seem a bit over-done at the rim. >>



All the raw coins from this seller look strange. I have been tempted to bid on the slabbed coins, but the lack (or non-disclosure) of a return policy (as well as selling the cooked raw stuff) makes me uneasy about this seller.

SNMAN

Please forgive this stupid question, yep I am a newbie!!!!!What does AT and NT stand for? Tried the "PCGS lingo" document but could not find.
Just catching up on this awsome hobby.

snman

TUMUSS

AT = Artificially Toned
NT = Naturally Toned

Edited to add: to the boards!!!

morgannut2

Hey RUSS: What is "liver of sulfur" ??? Hurry my fingers are killing me, plus I have to use my stove to eat occasionally!!

dorkkarl

i would pass on that coin. just not attractive regardless of the source of the toning.

K S

Shamika

I would not bid on that one.

caitlin

AT