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Here's a *really* old coin (just won it from Heritage!)

It's not the most valuable piece, but I think it's got character! Check out the date on the slab... neat! It's my first ancient coin.

Ancient copper

Dan

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  • $29 seems like a steal considering the shape it's in for being so old. image
  • Boy that is an old one.
    How is the Ancient coin market?
  • Well, this is my first ancient coin, and I just bought it because I think it's neat. I'm not sure how the market is for ancients. It looks like a very interesting area, though!

    Dan
  • I've never understood the economics underlying ancient coins. Why is it many of these coins, thousands of years old, can be had for a song? Are they simply not rare? For example, I wonder how many examples of the Greek coin are known to exist today, and how the population compares with modern U.S. coinage.
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  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭
    I've wondered that too. I've got a few Roman coins and I just feel the history oozing out of them.
  • Concerning the rarity of ancients I know very little.

    What I do know is this: If a particular ancient coin is valuable and desired someone may dig up a clay pot full of them tomorrow. Since numbers minted (hammered?) isn't usually known it's difficult to guess on how many are out there waiting to be found.

    I've heard running around Turkey with a metal detector is a sure way to invite trouble from the authorities.
    Some call it an accumulation not a collection
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice. I don't know much about the ancients, but someday I want to get the Owl & the Turtle coins.

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    An incredible buy since it cost at least $20 to have it slabbed. In the case of ancients the authentication factor is more important than the grade on the holder. I wish I had seen this one myself.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I've never understood the economics underlying ancient coins. Why is it many of these coins, thousands of years old, can be had for a song? Are they simply not rare? For example, I wonder how many examples of the Greek coin are known to exist today, and how the population compares with modern U.S. coinage. >>



    Ancients require the collector to do some real work. There is more than just grade to worry about. The collector has to evaluate the quality of the engraving work, the quality of the planchet, patina, if any, and address the issue of authenticity. This is not like collecting Morgan dollars!

    There is also the issue of reference books. Most reference books on ancients are quite expensive. This stops many casual collectors from getting further involved.

    Ancients struck in brass or bronze are a special challenge for the typical US collector because of surface appearance. Someone who is used to collecting "65RED" Lincolns and Indians is likely to have real trouble adjusting to the appearance of ancients.

    Tom
    All glory is fleeting.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Wow, that coin is almost as old as Russ!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    VF-30? That looks like an AG to me. Cleaned & corroded, should be in a bodybag. How'd that get in a slab?
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • It's got a horsey on it!!image
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Cool. Did you post this on the Darkside? There are several people there who can tell you more than you want to know about ancientsimage
  • Yes a lot of ancients are very plentiful as mentioned due to being found in huge quantities. You see bulk lots sold on ebay all the time of uncleaned ancients. They didn't have banks back then so a lot of coins in Europe were burried for safekeeping. The owners of these coins weren't always able to dig these back up due to being killed or for various other reasons so the coins remained burried for centuries and are still being discovered today.

    I still think you can't beat that purchase for $29 bucks!!!! Congrats image


  • << <i>I've never understood the economics underlying ancient coins. Why is it many of these coins, thousands of years old, can be had for a song? Are they simply not rare? For example, I wonder how many examples of the Greek coin are known to exist today, and how the population compares with modern U.S. coinage. >>


    It is simply supply and demand. You ask "how many of that greek coin exist today?", well it is probably considered to be a common coin so say two to three thousand (probably at the low end of that range). Compared to many key US coins these ancients are much scarcer. The problem is that there is maybe one collector of ancients for every thousand collectors of US coins. There may only be 500 collectors who need one of those 2000 examples of that coin. Hence the low price.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>VF-30? That looks like an AG to me. Cleaned & corroded, should be in a bodybag. How'd that get in a slab? >>



    This comment is an excellent example of my earlier point.

    Tom
    All glory is fleeting.
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ancients require the collector to do some real work. There is more than just grade to worry about. The collector has to evaluate the quality of the engraving work, the quality of the planchet, patina, if any, and address the issue of authenticity. This is not like collecting Morgan dollars! >>

    Which is to say, the collectors of ancients generally have a vastly greater appreciation of history and the IQ to match. image
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    I've always wondered how you can be sure they are actually ancient. It's not like you can carbon date them, and their crude appearance seems to be easy to recreate.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • AskariAskari Posts: 3,713
    A variety of details may give information on when an ancient coin was made. The bust of a king or queen can narrow down the legends and the style of the legend can be a giveaway too. Not only have numismatists deeply researched ancient coins of various countries, but so have archaeologists who can date coins according to the sediment layer they are found in. It can be deeply fascinating, but as was said above ... it ain't like collecting Morgans!! image
    Askari



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  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $29.00 for a piece of history like that sounds like a real bargain to me. You could have gone to Chilis and blown the same amount on two drinks and Fajitas for two, just to see it go out the back end the next day....man am I crude. LOL

    Tyler

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