Opinions on this "early dollar"

Baley

Is this thing for real?

Stuart

Good coin for Lord Marcovan, since it had a hole in it that has subsequently been repaired...

K6AZ

That is one of the most crude plug jobs I have seen on an early US coin.

JadeRareCoin

I am 99% certain that is a counterfeit 1797 Dollar. I would need the coin in hand to be 100% sure, as images can sometimes hide detail. Using the images provided, I see several things that are not right in terms of diagnostics. I would NOT bid on that coin for anything over $50 (value as a novelty).

Dennis

K6AZ

It does look kind of bogus. You think they holed and plugged it to distract the attention from whether it was genuine or not?

JadeRareCoin

You think they holed and plugged it to distract the attention from whether it was genuine or not?

That's exactly what I was thinking. It is a well executed counterfeit. Very dangerous. Someone is going to get stung on that one, imho.

earlwbollinger

I don't know it just doesn't look right to me.
The vulture on the reverse looks wrong.
But hey, what do I know.

On second thought it has to be a fake, look where the "repair" was done on the reverse.
Right where it would normally have "Copy" stamped into it.

AuldFartte

I'm no expert, Baley, but that thing does not look legit to me.

JadeRareCoin

The eBay coin in question does not match any known variety for 1797 dollars. There are only 3 varieties to begin with. The eBay coin most closely resembles a B-3, but several diagnostics for B-3 are absent or just plain wrong. It looks like a cast counterfeit to me.

topstuf

How could anyone be SUSPICIOUS?
After all, you have the genuine note from the guy who "past away"......AND the assurances of the seller that he don't know .....NUTTIN.....about coins.

No red flags there that I see.

ziggy29

Are there any varieties that have a date looking like that? To me, the date just looks all wrong, along with having the general washed-out look of a cast copy.

JadeRareCoin

The date is close to being in the correct location. If you look at an image of B-3, you will see that it is very close. Actually, the reverse is farther off from B-3 than the obverse. The stars on the obverse give it away, as does the location of the main upper curl on Liberty's head.

lordmarcovan

Somethin' looks hinky about it, but I can't fer the life o' me figger out exactly what.



<< <i>Good coin for Lord Marcovan, since it had a hole in it that has subsequently been repaired... >>



Actually, I'd like to have it for my Holey Coin Vest, fake or not. I need a Bust dollar for the vest.

I would have no problem with carefully drilling out a plug in a real coin or violating my usual rules and drilling my own hole in one, if it were a copy. But the only way I'd use a counterfeit as a "filler" on the vest is if it were a good counterfeit. If it's a fake like I suspect, that one is good enough, I guess- it doesn't scream "fake!" like some of the crude Chinese copies do.

The trouble is, you can't find a nice fake for sale as such anymore- some chucklehead always comes along and bids moon money on it. I wouldn't mind having a well-done counterfeit Bust dollar (like the 1799 "Die Hard"), if I could get it for the price of a nice replica (less than forty or fifty bucks or so at most). I would drill it and wear it, and keep it from harming some unknowing collector.

rhedden

Perhaps the previous owner "past away" when the seller entered his home and hit him over the head with a tire iron.

Kidding, of course. But you do have to admit that ebay attracts the criminal element.

CoinHunter2003

What Earl said. Look at the bottom reverse as compared to the rest of the reverse.
It appears to be more shiny than the rest. Erased the word "copy" maybe?

TUMUSS

The ol' man passed away when he figured out it was FAKE!!

JadeRareCoin

I sure hope that the high bidder is a shill bidder and not a collector.

wjd283

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