What would you do with this Binion??? (Large Images)

TUMUSS · October 10, 2004 3:33AM

Does the fact that this Binion was handled by NCS mean that it will not cross to NGC or PCGS? What would you grade it? Cross it...Sell it...Keep it?

dragon · October 10, 2004 3:36AM

If interested in selling, please PM me with a price quote.

dragon

ss350camaro · October 10, 2004 3:38AM

Personally i'd keep it just like it is.

airplanenut · October 10, 2004 3:39AM

Looks like it would slab... unless the reverse would get a note as environmental damage... obverse is nice, reverse not really, IMO... probably get a 62 if it slabbed because of the reverse.

coinguy89 · October 10, 2004 3:59AM

I really like that piece, and would defiently keep it in there.

stman · October 10, 2004 4:05AM

I've talked with a couple other people regarding these NCS Binion dollars. I believe some of them NGC just didn't like the "Look" of them (possibly too ugly) to put in the regular "Binion Hoard" slab. Others were environmental damage I assume... hence, the NCS holder.

At least they didn't play with, clean, I mean "Conserve

" some of these nice ones.

AS Dragon mentioned, if you want to sell, please PM me a price quote.

darktone · October 10, 2004 4:09AM

It's in the NCS holder because of enviromental damage and has no chance of getting in a PCGS/NGC holder. I like coins like this that are original and untouched. mike

stman · October 10, 2004 4:14AM

Darktone... "No chance of grading?" That's a pretty.bold statement considering what goes on all the time. Oh, I forgot I'd like to buy it.
You're right it has no chance.

Note... if I owned it the coin would stay right in the holder it's in.

braddick · October 10, 2004 4:17AM

<< It's in the NCS holder because of enviromental damage and has no chance of getting in a PCGS/NGC holder. I like coins like this that are original and untouched. mike >>

I thought NCS was pretty clear on the insert what the problem is when coins are slabbed through them. No, I think instead a large grouping was commissioned via NCS- some had problems (and are duly noted on the insert) while others, such as the one photo'd here, are problem free and would/should cross into NGC. I'd also think NGC would use the Binion insert too (unless they're out of them!).

sliderider · October 10, 2004 4:25AM

I think in this instance, NCS merely authenticated it as genuine. I don't think they conserved it. There is no grade on the slab, though, so pricing it will be difficult and there will be those who will see the NCS slab and think 'conserved'. I'd submit it to PCGS for grading. I don't think this Binion hype is worth much.

darktone · October 10, 2004 4:25AM

Do you really think that coin would be in an NCS holder if NGC or PCGS would holder it

. mike

TUMUSS · October 10, 2004 4:29AM

<< Do you really think that coin would be in an NCS holder if NGC or PCGS would holder it

. mike >>

My thoughts exactly.

And...I am worried about losing the Binion pedegree....some pay premiums for this.

darktone · October 10, 2004 4:31AM

If I had to guess I would say it was body bagged a few times then sent to NCS for cleaning(conservation or what ever

) and they decided it was best left untouched and the submitter asked that the coin be holdered by NCS if NGC would not holder. Lot's of guessing on my part but in my mind it's the most logical. mike

TonedCoinTrader · October 10, 2004 4:32AM

Crack it, Use a Qtip laced with Jewlry Cleaner on the reverse. Then resubmit

stman · October 10, 2004 4:41AM

<< Crack it, Use a Qtip laced with Jewlry Cleaner on the reverse. Then resubmit

>>

Cool, I'll consider this "Astute" advice when considering buying any of your coins. LOL

TonedCoinTrader · October 10, 2004 4:51AM

<<Cool, I'll consider this "Astute" advice when considering buying any of your coins. LOL >>

You don't like "My Coins" anyway

It don't bother me non cuz I don't practice what I preach. In case you couldn't tell by the

It was sarcasm.

I just ebayed 2 NCS Binions just like this last week and got squat money for it. Less than I payed. Most people are not paying Premiums for the pedigree IMHO.

Scott

stman · October 10, 2004 5:02AM

TCT, not true. I have indeed bought a coin off you. As far as "Not liking your coins" ..... I believe you have or had one I like. I just don't like the price to be perfectly honest with you.

If you sold a Binion that looked like this for too cheap on ebay, sorry for your loss. Somehow I get the feeling it didn't look just like this one as you have stated.

Besides, the toned market on ebay these days just isn't doing what it used to. I seen a nice rainbow (true rainbow) in 63 go in the 50.00 range yesterday. If it were 2 years ago it would have went for much more. It wasn't no "Monster" but it was a nice looker.

TonedCoinTrader · October 10, 2004 5:07AM

My prices are negotiable. You just refused to negotiate and just passed

Also The coin in question is in my store for Much less than my original ask price

stman · October 10, 2004 5:16AM

<< My prices are negotiable. You just refused to negotiate and just passed >>

Heheh, ya see? that just goes to show how good of a customer I am. I don't like playing games. I guess I'm for the most part a pass or play type of guy. On the other hand, if you had a better price in mind you should have told me. Rather than let it sit. OK, we've derailed this thread enough.

Sorry TUMUSS. BTW, My Granddaughter would like the coin you posted in this thread.

TUMUSS · October 10, 2004 5:30AM

<---- I was thinking she would rather have my icon Binion instead...it's a 65. Pass it by her see if this will suffice

<< Sorry TUMUSS. BTW, My Granddaughter would like the coin you posted in this thread.

>>

stman · October 10, 2004 5:36AM

She's not here at the moment, but knowing her she doesn't collect by the numbers. And she will be just like Grandpa taught her and say to send them both so she can decide. Then she will act spoiled (not that I spoil her

) and want both. Yeah, better send both.... FOR FREE of course.

TUMUSS · October 10, 2004 5:55AM

Dog97 · October 10, 2004 1:26PM

I posted a question about NCS Binions on the NCS Board a while back and the bigwigs @ NCS told me the coins in NCS holders had problems which prevented them from grading but they were "interest" coins, that is, coins that collectors would still be interested in and they didn't say this but I assumed that instead of spending money to have them net graded which has the stigma of damage, they authenticated & holdered them for the collectors which had a special interest in those kinds of coins.
The reason I was asking NCS is because I have some Binions with advertising stickers on them & some with scratches, some slicks & some with holes & one with a beauticul almost solid black crescent which like yours has such heavy dark toning that it would NG for enviromental damage.

Oh yeah back on topic, what to do with it. Sell it to Dog. Do not remove from holder because it wouldn't cross or grade @ PCGS or NGC and it will lose the Binion pedigree, which is the only thing carrying the prem on it.

stman · October 10, 2004 1:31PM

Dog97 · October 10, 2004 2:04PM

Just think, some down & out gambled ripped this necklace off his neck that his grandmother gave him on her death bed to trade for 1 more roll of the dice. He had a desperate burning urge he was going to get lucky this time. He could feel his fortune changing. BUTT..... After he lost his last dollar he flung himself in front of the next big truck that came through town.

This one was somebody's paycheck.

NCS slabbed this scratched dog97 Binny just for me.

bestclser1 · October 10, 2004 3:14PM

Tumuss,I would keep it as is,and would buy it if the price was right too!

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