Home› World & Ancient Coins Forum

Gem Unc Lima Sixpences

cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
in World & Ancient Coins Forum
Are these worth it?

LINKY-POO

image
Bill

image

09/07/2006

Comments

  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    I can't answer as to the fairness of the price but good Lord that's a beautiful piece!image

    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
    is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭
    I'd be looking at £150 for a UNC one, a gem UNC one probably £200 not a penny more.

    1746 Limas are common coins, in Coincraft they retail at £85 in EF, most sell for about £60 in EF.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    << gem UNC one probably £200 not a penny more>>

    Where would one find one like that?
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭
    Have you tried onlinecoins?
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the pointer to onlinecoins. Nothing there though.
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭
    I agree with you on them being nice coins but i think they are asking too much for them.

    You could buy them but you'd never get your money back on them.
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    The Terner piece in a very solid PCGS MS66 hammered at $977.50 including the juice. That's £543!

    That was at a true auction, and I believe NEN may have bought it. Yes, a true gem unc. coin of this type is worth in the £400-550 range depending on how out of this world the particular coin is.

    The question is? Is the Coincraft coin a true gem, a so-so unc., or even a nice slider?

    If NEN did buy that piece it's already sold, and at probably in excess of $1250. NEN currently has two LIMA pieces listed in MS64 at $695 and $750......personally, I'd buy the NEN pieces since they are certified and I'd bet are nicer pieces that the Coincraft offering. Does Coincraft offer a NO-QUESTIONS RETURN?

    There's my bob's worth. image
  • syraqsyraq Posts: 633
    The question is? Is the Coincraft coin a true gem, a so-so unc., or even a nice slider?



    From my personal experience with them, based on previous descriptions and viewings of the coins, probably not a gem unc. Especially if they have more than one in stock.
    Dimitri



    DPOTD-1
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    If I had the money I'd take this crown instead:

    imageimage

    I love the Lion on the shoulder.
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    Bloody hell, lad. You've jumped from an unc. tanner to a proof crown.... image

    Guess what?? That entire 1746 LIMA Proof set used to be available for $12,500. image

    That crown runs next to National Treasure material....... image
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    I can dream can't I? If I sold my 20th century US type set?image
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭
    The crown is fairly nice, but sadly it's a slicker.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    <<slicker>>

    image
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭


    << <i><<slicker>>

    image >>




    Oil slick tone. Where's it been left at the side of a road? Under a motorbike? In the oven?
  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    I think Lloyd once told a story about an old line British dealer who used to clean or treat his coins with oil.image

    Sylvestius, can you tell me exactly what you observed on the coin that made you say what you did? I need to learn what you know...image
    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
    is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭


    << <i>I think Lloyd once told a story about an old line British dealer who used to clean or treat his coins with oil.image

    Sylvestius, can you tell me exactly what you observed on the coin that made you say what you did? I need to learn what you know...image >>



    To be honest in all the years i've been buying British coins i've rarely come across ones with tones like that. British coins in the UK very rarely tone like that and are undesirable to most UK collectors. Some coins do so it's not unheard of but most aren't.

    The only place i ever see UK coins with tones like that one is from American dealers and buyers. This suggests only two courses of thought on how the coins ended up like that.

    Firstly the coin has been artificially toned in some way. Secondly American methods of coin storage which are different to UK methods are more prone to causing that type of toning. Toning like that on the proof crown suggests that particular coin must have been in the States a fair while if it's natural.

    The lustre seems to be there to make me think that it is natural and the colours don't look too artificial but it's anything but subtle. I wonder if the original boxes would have caused this ghastly toning? Wood oils or something.

    Personally i wouldn't touch it with a barge pole cos i just don't like the tone.
  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭
    Nothing a good dip couldn't put right though. Actually that might explain alot, i think alot of UK coin dealers may have dipped alot of uneven toned coins to remove such toning over the years.

    I'd quite happily dip that one.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not sure what a GEM 1746 LIMA 6d would fetch... I guess nothing would shock me. This date is not tough, however, if it is a real GEM that grades MS65 or higher, that changes things. I also think that if it is a suberb strike, without any obverse weakness on the high points of the hair, eye, cheek etc.., the price moves even higher.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love the Crown... quite attractive

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i> Nothing a good dip couldn't put right though. >>

    image
    Well, that statement might well put Messrs. Fenton, Hill, Lorich, etal. in their respective graves.



    << <i>Actually that might explain alot, i think alot of UK coin dealers may have dipped alot of uneven toned coins to remove such toning over the years. >>


    ....you left out a good baking soda treatment every 25-30 years.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    <<I'd quite happily dip that one. >>

    And they call us yanks looney.image
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Sylvestius I checked out your six pence gallery nice stuff. By the way the answer to what LIMA means is:

    Some of the treasure seized by Admiral Anson during his circumnavigation of the globe, 1740-4, and by other privateers, was made into coin, which had the word LIMA below the king's bust to celebrate the expedition's successful harassment of the Spanish Colonies in the New World.
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I can dream can't I? >>

    Indeed, Sir!!

    Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you
    Sweet dreams that leave all worries behind you
    But in your dreams whatever they be
    Dream a little dream of me.

    Betcha never thought King George would serenade you!! image
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    <<Betcha never thought King George would serenade you!!>>

    It's that damn cat on his shoulder that intrigues me. Anyone got the story behind it?
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
Sign In or Register to comment.