Opinion on a couple Morgan $'s please

wam98

Picked these up yesterday. The image is close to how they look in hand. Kinda like how they look. I'd like other opinions though. The 80 S, I give EF-45. The 81 S, EF-40. I know it's impossible to grade from my images.

1880 S

1881 S

kieferscoins

The pics are ok, but not super. I think your grades are right on.

Cameron Kiefer

granddad

I too think you are very close if not right on.
Louis

paigowjohnny

That 80-S has me confused...from the picture the details almost look UNC if not a high AU...but the color holds down the lustre.

SethChandler

Both are Choice AU at least, but very dark toning.

Seth

ziggy29

I think the darkness and the lack of (apparent) luster is deceiving. I think the coins are a bit better than 45 and 40. I'd say the '80-S is at least AU-55, as it has virtually full detail and I can't see much wear. The '81-S appears at least XF-45, maybe AU-50 or even a little better.

dollardude

I think you're being too conservative. The first one looks AU+ (perhaps AU53), the second XF+ or XF45. Both look like they may be cleaned and retoned like 90% of all silver dollars.

Dog97

AU-80-S
XF-81-S
Both appear to be possibly chemically cleaned & have retoned.

wam98

I agree that the surfaces of these coins may have been altered somehow. Something's just not right. In hand the 80 S has some luster when rotated.

ER

80-S 55
81-S 50

K6AZ

Both look AU to me, but with such small pictures I wouldn't want to give a specific AU grade.

I'm curious, why go with AU coins of this date? You can find really nice MS63s even if you are on a tight budget.

Myqqy

80-S AU55
81-S XF45

Considering how plentiful these dates are, I would continue looking and find some attractive MS examples that have a more "original" look to them.....

K6AZ

I'm curious. You guys calling the 81-S XF, what are you going by to drop the coin into XF?

SDCollector

Kind of rough looking. As you probably know, both dates/mm's are known for strong strikes and excellent luster and are plentiful. I would go for nice MS-63's examples of both. These dates/mm's are gorgeous in MS grades.

SDCollector

<< <i>You guys calling the 81-S XF, what are you going by to drop the coin into XF? >>


Trace of luster would make me think XF. But I think the pic is misleading.

DennisH

Looks more like AU-something on the 1880-S and at least XF45 on the 1881-S.

Can't tell lustre from the scans, which will have much impact on the actual grades.

Dog97

<<<I'm curious. You guys calling the 81-S XF, what are you going by to drop the coin into XF?>>>
My reason is because that's one of the nastiest looking coins I ever saw posted on this board & it's not deserving of any leeway in grading points. It has slight flat spots on the cotton leaves i.a.w. XF-45; and for AU-50 it would have "slight traces of wear" on the egales breast, legs etc but it looks more "lightly worn" & the right wing tip shows wear which is i.a.w. ANA grading standards for XF-45.

stman

<< <i>My reason is because that's one of the nastiest looking coins I ever saw posted on this board >>





Edit to add... I'd have to disagree with this statement Dog.

wam98

K6AZ, Myggy, & Bill, I have MS examples of these Morgans, see below. I'm working on a circulated set of Morgans that I started in the early 80's. I backed away from buying MS-65 & 64 Morgans early this year when the prices just kept climbing. My MS set is about 45% complete and I don't look for Morgan $ in MS-64 and better grades to get any cheaper in the near future. I'm not real fond of the lower MS grades. I should have been more specific in my original post. I wasn't asking for grading opinions on these two Morgans, more so, the odd color and skin on them. AT $12 each, I said what the heck.


Dog97, one of the nastiest looking coins I ever saw posted on this board.

No, you must have missed this one. She was runner up in an ugly Morgan contest.

K6AZ

I don't know, I've seen worse. The 81-S is without question an AU, it's just a matter of whether it has been screwed with.

wam98

K6AZ, thanks for your input. Your opinion to me, has merit. I do a lot of lurking and looking on these boards. I really like looking at your large Morgan photo's. I think their great, but can't respond a lot because when a thread gets so big, my stupid ISP Just shuts down. I only have dialup. That's the only option I have here.