Hey HRH, get a load of this guy's statement regarding the PCGS Price Guide
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Out and out Fraud- False and deceptive advertising, fabricating prices on the Guide
Get a load of this guy. He is stating that a certain coin is listed on the Guide and it just ain't so!
As you scroll look to the right. Funny, I can't seem to find that coin on the Price Guide!
Get a load of this guy. He is stating that a certain coin is listed on the Guide and it just ain't so!
As you scroll look to the right. Funny, I can't seem to find that coin on the Price Guide!
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<< <i>Could simply be an error. $1600 is the MS65 value listed in the PCGS guide. >>
But presumably not for a typical PCI gold label coin.
Series 39 -- Washington Quarters 1932-1964 Regular Strikes
PCGS # Description Desig F EF AU 60 63 64 65 66 67 68
Complete Set - - - - - 15560 48398 164629 - -
5790 1932 10 15 20 30 45 85 475 1750 15000 -
5791 1932-D 145 260 600 1000 2850 7500 30000 100000 - -
5792 1932-S 125 200 275 450 1350 2750 7500 40000 - -
5793 1934 - - 15 29 42 50 95 200 1300 11000
5794 1934 Light Motto - - 20 40 75 165 550 2350 8500 -
5795 1934 Doubled Die Obverse 200 300 400 650 1150 2250 6750 12000 - -
5796 1934-D 10 22 70 235 350 600 1600 4200 23500 -
5797 1935 - - 14 25 32 45 125 225 1150 10000
Another big deal thread.
Hello,
You may want to look at this listing again. The coin being offered is a 1934-D Washington Quarter; not a 1934-P. You will find that this is a very rare date in high grade. By the way, your comments were uncalled for and very unkind. Please DO NOT bother to waste my time again.
Nick
Little did he know that the Bay Police had already filed a report on this
<< <i>What price was quoted before as it is correctly listed now? >>
It was a PCI MS64 34D (heavy motto) quoted at 1600
now it's a 65 quoted at 1700
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I see, you must be meaning rare like this one, the one I sold last night!
Very Rare 1934-D Heavy Motto PCGS 64 Washington 25c (3933005728)
I showed you the price guide and since you perceive an amicable request as uncalled for or unkind, I find it unkind and uncalled for that a Power Seller blatantly fabricates info that is NOWHERE to be found where you state it is. on our Price Guide, in order to hoodwink some unknowing person. Suppose you just tell people the truth!?
Now, if you want to know what I do and do not know about Washington Quarters here's a newsflash for you. I own a highly ranked Washington Quarter Registry set. Just last night I sold a yet to be attributed Heavy Motto PCGS 64 1934-D for $700 and if you weren't so pig headed I'd probably buy yours too after allowing for a grade or two, of course. It's not on the list because PCGS has just recognized this variety and have not yet listed it, so your claim that it IS listed is bogus.
There is also one in my Registry set being attributed as we speak as well as many in the posession of my fellow Registry participants and even a few in ebay auctions now. The point is they are NOT rare in the true sense of the word.
Population is low at present because PCGS has just decided to recognize and attribute this variety along with the regular 34-P Heavy Motto. At last look there were 6 attributed at PCGS with population growing daily.
I have 2 more, my friends have others and if you bother to search 1934 you might be amazed to find that there are quite a few listed for auction that have not yet been attributed as well...but you quoting something that just does not exist is Fraud.
The coin is not listed on the price guide therefore your claim that it is, is phony. I'd be glad to copy it again for you in case you missed it. Check the item I sold last night.
And another thing Nick, This conversation and your auction will be the hot topic on the US Coin forum today. Just a few nights ago Mr. Hall made it abundantly clear that it is a PCGS price Guide, not an NGC, NTC, PCI or raw coin guide.
Your claim( your falsehood) has already been shown to eBay Community Watch and eBay Security. I have also printed out that section of our guide that you claim says it's there and given it to eBay.
It is people like you that give legitimate Power sellers a bad name due to blatant fraud, false and deceptive advertising and I don't appreciate THAT.
If you're going to quote prices, quote Trends...Oh, well wouldn't you know it, I just happen to have a copy of the latest issue and it's not listed there either. If you want to quote PCGS, sell PCGS.
I asked you nicely and since you show absolutely no remorse or willingness to change it, suffer the repercussions as, I repeat, eBay is already aware of this and in a few minutes all of PCGS, including David Hall, will be made to know as well. I invite you to find this listed on the PCGS price Guide. Why don't we make it interesting and say, any amount you care to wager and lose, I'll double.
If I were you I'd get to stepping and taking that out of my auction's description. You've been asked and now forewarned. Have a nice day, Nick.
============================================================================================ There you go dbldie 55.....now you know why it has been changed!
<< <i>5796 1934-D 10 22 70 235 350 600 1600 4200 23500 - >>
.......................F ..EF AU 60 ..63 ..64 ...65 ....66 .....67 .........68
5796 1934-D 10 22 70 235 350 600 1600 4200 23500 -
I think the seller initially put the wrong photo(MS64) up in his auction for an MS65, and quoted the MS65 price for a 34D. I think this is all much ado about nothing
"lowering the BOOM"
That's when I went off. That one outright lie of a statement concerning the PCGS Price Guide got me to eBay Security like NOW, especially when the live chat dude saw it. Ahhhhhhh, it might be in the transcript!!
The only missing piece is my initial email to him that went thru eBay's "ask the seller a question" feature. I'll hunt around, what was originally up there that set me off may be saved in my sent or deleted email.
He lit my fire because he blatantly lied about something that just does not exist and if that's not Fraud and or false and deceptive advertising, there ain't a cow in Texas!
Hello Warren,
Thanks for your follow-up. You will note that I have amended my listing, which uses the Trends value for a 1934-D quarter in MS-65, of $1700. Thanks for your input.
Nick
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Mission accomplished but he's still stretching it. I didn't have it in me to call him a liar again.. Look at Trends and tell me if you see a price for a 34 Heavy Motto, let alone a 34-D HM....NOT!! Well, at least he isn't involving PCGS in a lie anymore!
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Charmaine M.: Hello and welcome to eBay's Live Chat. My name is Charmaine.
Charmaine M.: How may I help you today?
pittbreeder: As a Power Seller mydelf I am appalled at the outright fraud, false & misleading advertising being ude by fellow Poer seller fcj regarding item #3033755781
pittbreeder: 3933733781- correction
Charmaine M.: Okay, one moment let me take a look at the item.
pittbreeder: ok
Charmaine M.: The coins?
pittbreeder: The alleged 1934 Heavy Motto grade PCI 65
Charmaine M.: Okay the listing I am looking is in a different language. CAn I get that number again please?
pittbreeder: 3933755781, I thin. I can thumbnail you and double check the #
Charmaine M.: Okayso the title for this is: First 5 1999 State Quarter Spoons Direct From Mint
pittbreeder: 3933255781, my mistake
Charmaine M.: Thanks
pittbreeder: You're welcome
Charmaine M.: The 1934 coin correct?
Charmaine M.: I am not too familiar with coins, can you tell me why you think this is fraud?
pittbreeder: He is intentionally misleading the buying public,,,in other words, blatant fraud as well as false and deceptive advertising. He states that a 34 Heavy Motto is on PCGS' price list for whatever price he is quotin when in fact this is not the case. The 34 Heavy Motto is not even listed on the price list
Charmaine M.: I see, have you reported this listing to our Trust & Safety Department?
pittbreeder: By the way, I don't think...I KNOW because I am a Platinum member of PCGS' Collectors Club and a member of the board.
Charmaine M.: I don't doubt you one bit.
Charmaine M.: What I suggest is to report this listing to the Community Watch Department about this listing and they can remove it.
Charmaine M.: I can set up the form for you if you wish
pittbreeder: No. actually I have not. Would you provide me with that link, please. I just wrote him and simply stated that as a fellow Power seller I find his behavior appalling and then I copied that section of the price list to prove my point. I asked him to correct this immediately or I would report him to the proper channels
Charmaine M.: Sure, one moment I will set it up for you.
pittbreeder: Yes, I would like that very much!
Charmaine M.: Please click on this link, and then click the EMAIL link on the page that comes up.
Charmaine M.: http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_inline/results.html?tier0=report_problem.html&tier1=3&tier2=5&continueButton=Continue+>&contactUsJSFilename=report_problem.js&contactTitle=Report+problems+with+other+eBay+members
Charmaine M.: Is there anything else I can help you with today?
pittbreeder: Thank you Charmaine. I am very much involved with poicing auctions and weeding out the fraudulent ones that also hurt other Power sellers like me
Charmaine M.: You're very welcome. Thank you for taking the time to try and make eBay a better place to buy and sell.
Charmaine M.: It's been a pleasure chatting with you. Thank you for contacting us here at Live Chat Support. Have a great eBay day.
pittbreeder: You're welcome. You have been most helpful. Good bye
The agent ended your chat session.
As far as I'm concerned, the only foul here was quoting the PCGS price guide for a non-PCGS coin. I guess I'm just so used to seeing that...it doesn't really even register to me anymore
Report a listing policy violation or prohibited (banned) item > Fraudulent listings (illegal seller demands, you didn't receive item, etc) > Report a listing you think is fraudulent (you didn't bid)
Item number(s):
3933255781 L66 $US US !44473! 021299 ?01 -01
Message: I don't think...I KNOW that the lising is fraudulant, fraught with false and misleading information. A fellow Power Seller (fcj) has listed a 1934 PCI 65 Heavy Motto Washington Quarter claiming it is listed on PCGS' price list for such and such a ridiculous price when the fact of the matter is this just simply is not true. The coin he refers to as being on PCGS' price guide is NOT!...AT ALL. I was surfing doing my normal community watch duty when I spotted his phony claim. I wrote him very nicely, " As a fellow Power Seller I am highly disappointed in you. You are guilty of fraud...false and deceptive advertising with your bogus statement. Please remove it." I then went to PCGS where I am a member of PCGS' Collectors' Club and simply copied the list and pasted it for him, pointing out, making it abundantly clear that he is indeed fabricating falsehoods. Nowhere on that guide, meant specifically for PCGS coins, by the way, NOT PCI or uncerified coins or coins certified by ant other service, is there ANY reference to the prices of 1934 Heavy Mottoes as truth be known, just recently has PCGS begun to recognize this variety. He is flat out lying about the price quoted being on the price guide. I copied it and if possible I will paste it for you. If this doesn't work contact me via conventional email and I will prove my point. I asked him to take it down or face what I am now doing. Let's see if that part of the guide will paste.
5793 1934 - - 15 29 42 50 95 200 1300 11000
5794 1934 Light Motto - - 20 40 75 165 550 2350 8500 -
5795 1934 Doubled Die Obverse 200 300 400 650 1150 2250 6750 12000 - -
The # to the left is the coin # s of every coin within this series, then the date. Next, the first one is a regukar 34 withit's prices starting with MS 60 on the left progressing to MS 67 on the right As you can see the next coin is the Light Motto and the third one is the Doubled Die Obvers. THERE IS NO HEAVY MOTTO proving my case. If need be I can copy and paste the entire list. You are welcome to visit the site and see this for yourselves. Proof positive that his claims are indeed fraudulant, false and deceptive. He needs to remove it NOW before taking advantage of the unknowing. Thanks, pittbreeder
Every time I go to the Baltimore show, I drive by the Fallston exit on I-95. As close as he is to Baltimore, I've never seen him at the show. I guess he's afraid he might have a few broken limbs by the time he leaves...
And here is the last of it from Safe Harbor. All I know is PCGS got disassociated with an out and out illegal act of fraud and false advertising...REALLY FAST and has set the tone for a good day for me personally. I feel like I did something constructive and got some real quick results.
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MY GOOD DEED FOR THE DAY TO NOT ONLY stop Fraud in it's tracks but got PCGS' Name out of an illegal action as well. I'm done!
One for the good guys!
I consider using the PCGS price guide by itself to be mis-leading as it is so inaccurate.