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Follow-up on the question of FBI powers

During the home safe thread there were some questions about the powers of the FBI to search and sieze financial items without a court order. Here is the new Court ruling.

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Can't say I like the ACLU but they do come across in defense of the Constitution on occasion.

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  • Good, I never liked the idea that under the Patriot Act "they don't need no stinkin warrents". Glad to know the Constitution is still around.
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Although I'm no fan of the ACLU either, King George was just going way too far. Even the most clueless could see that that law was very bad.

    Thanks for the link.

    Tom
    Tom

  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Good to see that some judges still place the Constitution ahead of the hysteria du jour.

    As for the ACLU, yeah, they do some things that really chap my hide, but to give credit where it's due, they are (with the exception of the Second Amendment) rather rabid defenders of the Bill of Rights.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you're not doing anything illegal you would have nothing to worry about.

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    the patriot act is the sole reason i am not going to vote for w this time around.

    K S


  • << <i>If you're not doing anything illegal you would have nothing to worry about. >>



    that argument is tired and pathetic. American's enjoy privacy, and the "man" has to prove guilt, citizen's don't have to prove innocence.

    hopefully you were being facetious.


  • << <i>If you're not doing anything illegal you would have nothing to worry about. >>


    Even so would you like the government to be able to go rummaging around through your private files and records any time they feel like it? Maybe you haven't done anything wrong, but the simple fact that you are being investigated can be a stigma. And once we allow them a little step, today they can search your records, it is that much harder to stop a later step. Possibly next they will be able to search your home without a warrent, question you without right to council etc. Here in Indiana they are constantly trying to abridge the right to peaceable assembly of those under the age of eighteen through the use of curfew laws. So far the laws kept getting declared unconstitutional but let them succeed and laws controling the movements of older citizens will most likely follow.

    "You haven't done anything wrong, but you must give up your rights because someone else did do something illegal."


  • << <i><< If you're not doing anything illegal you would have nothing to worry about. >> >>




    Such ignorance is amazing. You don't believe that there are those in the system who would use it for thier own gain or who may have a fanatical view. Those who might "think" you did something and consider it thier duty to "get you" outside of the normal remedies of law.


    If we could count on them all being honest and correct.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Such ignorance is amazing. You don't believe that there are those in the system who would use it for thier own gain or who may have a fanatical view. Those who might "think" you did something and consider it thier duty to "get you" outside of the normal remedies of law. >>

    And what's disheartening is to think about all the blood that has been spilled by American patriots over the last 230 years. The more we hear attitudes like "you have nothing to fear if you're doing nothing wrong," the closer we'll get to a police state and the more those heroes will have died in vain.
  • I saw a special on TV a few months back. Police in Florida were stopping poor minority drivers and searching thier cars. They would confiscate any money over a few bucks because it was obvious that it "must be drug money" This was perfectly legal. Now the people have to hire a lawyer and "prove" it was not drug money to get it back. Of course when they take all your money its hard to hire a lawyer.



  • << <i>If you're not doing anything illegal you would have nothing to worry about. >>



    That's what you think! PO someone off and they make something up, then make an anonymous to the Police or FBI and you are in for a time of your life.


    Jerry
  • Even though I am a conservative, I never liked the Patriot Act. I hope more bits and pieces of it get shot down in court challenges until eventually there is nothing left to challenge.




    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

    What a visionary he was. It's almost as though he had the Patriot Act in mind when he said it.

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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    "If you're not doing anything illegal you would have nothing to worry about."

    Bwhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    " Even though I am a conservative, I never liked the Patriot Act. I hope more bits and pieces of it get shot down in court challenges until eventually there is nothing left to challenge."

    Both conservatives and liberals should be against the "Patriot Act" (I have to put the name in quotes because there's nothing patriotic about it).

    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    TOTALLY AGREE!

    K S

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