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I think the point got lost. It's about education.

The many new threads that have been spawned IMO missed the point as far as I'm concerned.

I don't care what, how or for how much you sell or buy anything. However, if a board member does some research and finds out that a coin you are selling was once in an AT slab or that it was purchased at a lower price and grade and now hyped as an almost certainty for a higher grade but I'm too lazy to submit it so I will let the lucky buyer make the big gain etc. etc. then expect to see a thread about it and rightfully so just as there have been many threads dealing with these and other similar situations. It's a valuable education.

What is distasteful to me is that now because the thread happened to be about board members there is now an almost apologetic discourse on the subject while other non-members have not fared as well (and most were not here to "defend" themselves). Since a lot of the original posts have been edited it is unclear what pressure was brought to bear, if any, to have those original posts edited. I take exception to that. The psots should have remained unedited and I question the need for an apology.

I don't care if anyone agrees or disagrees with the strategies/tactics written about in those posts only that the posts be written and remain to educate the masses as to what strategies/tactics do exist that may help one decide who to buy from, what to buy, how to research, and what to pay.

Joe.

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  • << <i>I don't care what, how or for how much you sell or buy anything. However, if a board member does some research and finds out that a coin you are selling was once in an AT slab or that it was purchased at a lower price and grade and now hyped as an almost certainty for a higher grade but I'm too lazy to submit it so I will let the lucky buyer make the big gain etc. etc. >>




    A simple email or PM to the person would be the apropriate FIRST thing to do.








    IMO


  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
    A simple email or PM to the person would be the apropriate FIRST thing to do.

    What about non board members?

    Joe.


  • << <i>What about non board members? >>




    << <i>while other non-members have not fared as well (and most were not here to "defend" themselves) >>



    You'll have to clearify that one for me. If they're not members how can they post ?

    (I realize they can read the posts)

  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
    There are many threads where auctions are pointed out on eBay with research to show that the coins were purchased as a lower grade and now hyped etc. etc. Many times the sellers are not board members and do not reply to any of the threads. At other times the seller is invited to respond to the thread and what threads they become with virtually every board member trying to rip the seller a new a'hole (rightly or wrongly).

    I just don't see why the "rules" are different for board members.

    Joe.
  • Thanks for the clearification.


  • Hi All,
    I logged in - last nite was it - no, the night before - I saw, or didn't see image some posts about this or that or something just like it disappearing right before before my eyes as I was looking at them. I don't claim to know what all this or that is about - but what I saw that is not there to see anymore as I recall it had something to do with someone admitting to posting fictitious or manipulate auctions at eBay in an attempt to illustrate some point. At least 1 other member admitted to knowingly bidding is said auction(s), and perhaps that is why the posts were removed.If this were the case, and I don't know anything but what I recall reading, then I am really disappointed in uh...them (?). What I saw did not look educational. Did no one else see this?

    Best,
    Billy
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>However, if a board member does some research and finds out that a coin you are selling was once in an AT slab or that it was purchased at a lower price and grade and now hyped as an almost certainty for a higher grade but I'm too lazy to submit it so I will let the lucky buyer make the big gain etc. etc. then expect to see a thread about it and rightfully so just as there have been many threads dealing with these and other similar situations. It's a valuable education. >>



    I agree that this was the point. It seems many lost this point along the way and felt that the asking price was the sole topic. Saying that
    something is for sale that could bring the lucky buyer a big profit is a red warning signal.

    IN MY OPINION.

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.



  • << <i>Hi All,
    I logged in - last nite was it - no, the night before - I saw, or didn't see image some posts about this or that or something just like it disappearing right before before my eyes as I was looking at them. I don't claim to know what all this or that is about - but what I saw that is not there to see anymore as I recall it had something to do with someone admitting to posting fictitious or manipulating auctions at eBay in an attempt to illustrate some point. At least 1 other member admitted to knowingly placing "false" bids in said auction(s), and perhaps that is why the posts were removed. If this were the case, and I don't know anything but what I recall reading, then I am really disappointed in uh...them (?). What I saw did not look educational. Did no one else see this?

    Best,
    Billy >>




    Hi,
    I'll ask again - did anyone else see what I did? I was reading posts as they were pulled. What I saw and what people are talking about appear to be somewhat different now.

    Billy image
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, I didn't catch that. I read posts & when I took a break I came back to where I left off. Though you have a good point about posting
    integrity, I can't be bothered to re-read all of that. That's a whole 'nuther topic in itself! image

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • baccarudabaccaruda Posts: 2,588 ✭✭
    The many new threads that have been spawned IMO missed the point as far as I'm concerned.

    Deviation from "the point" is the basis of the legal profession, hence the fishing threads that had nothing to do with anything.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Billy,

    Those were old posts dredged up from the archives and had nothing to do with the current discussion.

    Russ, NCNE


  • << <i>Billy,

    Those were old posts dredged up from the archives and had nothing to do with the current discussion.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Hi Russ,
    thanks for the clarification image they sure didn't bother to use quotes - they seemed quite new. How/why would more than 1 member be quoting archived messages in such a way they read in order as current posts - One read "OK. I'll come clean now too..." re placing false bids knowingly..all seemed quite current.

    Billy
  • Joe, you make some damn good points. Only those who "had" to edit or delete their posts know the full story. At least they are the only ones who know why they did it. And they ain't talking. Al least I haven't seen any threads titled.... I edited or deleted my because.....This whole thing stinks.


    Jerry
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    let the buyer beware

    it is everyman for himself in the coin game

    to try to protect yourself in this game as a novice collector or even as an experienced collector


    only do business with someone of integrity responsibility knowledge that has proved this by the following

    a dealer who has a reputation of being in the market for the long haul

    that has a proven track record and skills that make YOU feel comfortable

    that offers two street in terms of your purchases and is willing to offer buybacks in the coins you where originally sold............ not hit and run plastic purchases "Actions speak louder than words or plastic holders"

    and with full disclosure if you got nothing to hide this is not a problem for fairly priced good coins

    who has paid his dues so to speak with a good reputation and a good resume in the biz with much experience to back this up paying his dues so to speak


    michael

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