Barry Bonds?
SEANSMOM
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I purchased a Barry Bonds card the other day for 125.00. Its in a case and graded by a company called Gem grading Inc. The problem is that I have tried to verify the cert# through www.gemgrading.net and no response to my e-mails. There is no phone number listed. I know nothing about cards but I saw him hit #700 and I knew enough to buy the card.Help. Any advice the card is rated a 10 and it is U-14
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Welcome!
Who did you buy the card from?
Mike
<< <i>Ok let me see if I can figure out this scan thing >>
Sean
If you have a problem with the scan, email it to my address below and I will put it up for you.
Another suggestion - get a ruler and measure the card and tell us what you get.
your friend
Mike
I had trouble with my internet tonite - here is the host.
Was this scanned? If so, when scanning to keep it from being so large, before "Accepting it" go to the
"Resize" on the right side and decrease to like 30-40%.
your friend
Mike
If you want to check for trimming, use a ruler that will measure to at least 1/32nd of an inch and measure the card horizontally and vertically in three places to check for consistency. Trimmers have a hard time maintaining a perfectly straight cut, but an '86 fleer update should have a straight cut if it's unaltered.
You can get a good PSA 9 for ~$50. If the card were any better than that, it would most likely be in a PSA/BGS holder. Do a search on ebay and you'll see that gem grades almost everything a 10.
Gem is a bad company...will grade anything...trimmed cards, fakes whatever! Not to be trusted IMO.
I agree, if you can return it do so. Even if it is the proper length, it may be a counterfeit?
Just my 2 cents
your friend
Mike
tell us anything, even if you got this card regraded (by BGS for around 30 bucks), you would have to pull a 9.5
gem mint to even begin to think about getting your money back.
The card may be nice, but not worth raw 125 and certainly not worth 125 in that holder. Gem isn't
respected. Sorry
JS
<< <i>I SENT A SMALLER VERSION HOPE IT HELPS >>
Sean
A suggestion...when you scan...there are these boxes you right click on and "crop" the picture so you are not saving dead space on the scan. You know what I mean?
your friend
Mike
<< <i>for 125 you got taken, actually for 75 you would of gotten taken. >>
That's being kind, actually. The card is essentially worthless now...no doubt it was altered before going into that holder. Even if it wasn't, the holder itself implies an altered card to a knowledgeable collector - that store should be ashamed to charge $125.00 for it.
You could always get lucky and be the guy that drew the $150 bid, but I'd recommend returning it.
BTW, it would take a scan of the back to even guess at the cards' condition, but we really can't tell from a scan. Professional graders look at cards under a 10X lens.
The card might not be trimmed - it might just be a high end 8 that has little or no wear to the naked eye. If there's a dealer in your area, he could give you a better idea of the cards' condition and whether it's been altered, but please return it if you can.
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<< <i>the time to buy cards of bonds was years ago >>
Sean
I agree with Winpitcher. If you are looking for the Bonds card just to collect, I would try to return the one you got and shop around on ebay for a PSA/GAI/SGC top grade. If you are doing it for investment, I think the Barry Bonds 'gravy' train is long gone IMO.
your friend
Mike
Sean, do return the card for a full refund. If you really wanted a Barry Bonds rookie card, you can pay a lot less for most likely a better quality card, such as a PSA 9 and there would be no question as to the authenticity.
The card did reach its high point when Bonds hit #700, but now it could only go down again. Wait till January or February to buy it.
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This alphabet soup of grading companies ... PSA, GAI, SGC, BGS, PRO, GEM, AAA ... it's pretty bewildering at first, and you might think they're all the same so why not buy the cheapest? Big mistake, especially if you ever want to resell the card. For resale value, buy PSA. Other respectable graders are SGC and GAI, and to a lesser extent, BGS. The last one is a bit dodgy with standards and having a rep for missing trimmed cards, but at least you know you can resell BGS to the vast Beckett nation. Best bet overall is PSA (and you can register your cards online).
By the way, I have an extra PSA 9 of that 1986 Bonds Fleer Update. It's better than that GEM 10, it's the real thing, and it has not been altered with a razor like that one. You can have it for $50 plus a couple bucks for shipping. If you haven't found your own yet, send me a PM (click on the yellow lock thing on the upper right of this post). Or shop on eBay. In the last month they have been selling in a range from about $50 to a high of $150. That one was a bit fluky, I think, but there are some $70+ sales in there. Just make sure it's really PSA 9 when you bid, because some people put PSA in the title when it's not.
<< <i>Thank you to everyone off to the coin and stamp store tom for verification. >>
So what happened?
did they take it back?
and refund your money?
let us know!!!
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