Would You Send This Back?

ajia

I have a 1904-O graded MS64PL.
The obverse looks good, but the reverse has a fingerprint on it! And the fields are 'hazey' over most of the areas!

sliderider

Send what back?

ldhair

Never

LincolnCentMan

yep

David

ajia

Sorry, tend to hit the return after I finish the thread name!

Try again?

sliderider

Send it back. It's not an especially rare date according to pops. I'm sure one of it's 936 sisters will turn up soon in better condition.

Here's one now. I told you they weren't hard to find.

1904-O DMPL

ldhair

After seeing the image, I might change my vote.

The price is probably a big factor.

ElectricEye

hate it

ms70

See below.

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K6AZ

It would really depend on how much I paid for it. This is a prime example of why I insist on a return policy on anything I buy, including PCGS coins. You can find dogs even in PCGS holders.

Russ

That's not a fingerprint, it's textile toning.

Looks pretty weakly struck, too. Is that normal for this issue?

Russ, NCNE

K6AZ

<< <i>Looks pretty weakly struck, too. Is that normal for this issue? >>



I've seen very few 1904-O Morgans with fully struck breasts. The C3 reverse was introduced in 1901, and on most coins with this reverse you will see almost no feather definition on the breast. You will find an exception once in a while on a very well struck coin, but they are few and far between and command a very hefty premium.

ldhair

Bowers book states "often weak at the centers and / or with low contrast".

Dog97

Post what the seller's picture looked like then I can decide whether to keep or return it.

Stuart

Ajia: The coin MAY have been "thumbed" over the eagle's breast area (hence the fingerprints nearby to the left) to hide a bit of luster break.

This is typicaly more common for rarer and more expensive coins, and may or may not be the case here. It's possible that the coin may have "turned" color to make this more obvious long after it was graded and slabbed.

1904-O's are not too difficult to find in MS-64 PL, so if I were you I'd return the coin if you feel uncomfortable with it in any way. If something about the coin bothers you now, it will likely continue to bother you every time that you look at it.

foodude

I'd need to see the coin in person, but from what I see, I'd pass if it was offered to me. The price on this choice is not much of a factor.

ajia

This coin came in a trade that I felt happy with & do not want to cancel because of this.
What is PCGS' stand on fingerprinted coins in their slabs?

K6AZ

<< <i>The coin MAY have been "thumbed" over the eagle's breast area (hence the fingerprints nearby to the left) to hide a bit of luster break. >>



The coin has not been "thumbed". It's not worth the trouble on this date in 64.

lordmarcovan

While I don't hate it, I would send it back, unless I'd gotten a really, really good deal on it.

Stuart

<< The coin has not been "thumbed". It's not worth the trouble on this date in 64. >>

Eric: That's your opinion. You don't know that with certainty.

sliderider

The New Orleans coins are pretty typical with a weak strike. Finding strong coins can sometimes be hard. With the weakness in the breast feathers, I was surprised this coin ended up in an MS holder until I remembered about the O mintmark. They probably took that into account when grading it and overlooked the weak strike as being normal for this coin. You can find strongly struck New Orleans coins, though. One of the board members has one for sale on ebay right now that looks PQ but NGC didn't feel that way and gave it a grade lower than it deserves. It's not a PL or DMPL , though.

TUMUSS

I am curious what the pictures revealed to you before you bought it?

mirabela

Sliderider, I'm glad somebody mentioned strike. I don't care for the strike on that one at all. Maybe you put up with something like that on a 96-O because it's all you can get, but on an 04-O? There are lots of them around. While you don't show us the obverse, based on the pic you gave I can say I've seen lots of more appealing 63's, holdered or not. Keep looking...

nwcs

Well, myself, I probably would send it back. But it also depends on how I felt about the trade and the person(s) involved.