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1893s and 1881cc coins back from PCGS

VetVet Posts: 1,513
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I posted I got these back a few days ago just got coins today here are the pics.imageimageimageimage
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  • TWODOGSTWODOGS Posts: 1,419
    Wow. The '93-S sure looks better than a 15.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The '93-S sure looks better than a 15. >>



    It sure does. Maybe it got netted for a light cleaning.

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  • BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926 ✭
    Nice looking CC!. I think PCGS was being a little stingy.
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  • VetVet Posts: 1,513
    Hey twodogs!! I thought so myself, I thought at least VF. I guess ya can't win em all.
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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭


    << <i>Wow. The '93-S sure looks better than a 15. >>

    My thoughts exactly.image
  • TWODOGSTWODOGS Posts: 1,419
    It's hard to tell from the pic, but there sure looks like there's a separation between the two cotton leaves and both of the eagle's wings seem to have nice definition for a 15.

    Maybe what Russ said...netted for light cleaning...
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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vet: Nice coins and nice grades. What grades were you expecting to receive on those coins?

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  • VetVet Posts: 1,513
    Russ I thought PCGS wouldn't grade cleaned coins. I was told they grade the coin by its worst side ,whitch is the obv on this coin, I am sure the rev is VF and I was hoping to come back with a VF.

    Stuart I was going VF on the 93s and 64 with a shot at 65 on the 81cc
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 93-S looks like a VF30 to me; I suspect the light cleaning theory is a good one.

    The 81-CC looks extremely nice for a 64.
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ I thought PCGS wouldn't grade cleaned coins. I was told they grade the coin by its worst side ,whitch is the obv on this coin, I am sure the rev is VF and I was hoping to come back with a VF. >>

    On rarer dates and older issues, they become a little lenient with problems and will lower the grade a bit. For example, an early copper with AU50 details and a bit of corrosion (light, mind you, not super heavy) may grade XF45, but won't be bagged. A 1950 Lincoln, thought, with any corrosion, will get bagged every day.

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  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    I think PCGS graded both of those coins conservatively - I can live with the grades - but there's meat left on the bones - those coins should get a premium above Grey Sheet when (or if) they sell.
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    Based on your scans, I would have guessed 65 on the 81-CC and VF20 on the 93-S.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ I thought PCGS wouldn't grade cleaned coins. >>



    If they suspect a very light cleaning, they will sometimes holder the coin and drop the grade a touch. NGC does the same thing.

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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


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    << <i>The '93-S sure looks better than a 15. >>



    It sure does. Maybe it got netted for a light cleaning.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    That's exactly what happened. Detail wise, that coin is a VF20-25.
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with all of the above comments and want to add that the 81cc is really an upper end 64 and based on those pics worth 65 money.
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  • fountainheadgoldfountainheadgold Posts: 2,467 ✭
    That 81cc could easily be ms65
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  • VetVet Posts: 1,513
    Would the die crack running from S in states to E in america have held the 81cc at 64?
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    PCGS could not possible have net graded that 93-S, they don't holder problem coins do they?? Can I lightly clean my proof state quarters and get them holdered, of course not. PCGS must have been in 'ultra tight' mode that week.......try 'em again in a couple months, both grades could easily change.

    And remember, grading is not an exact science, opinions can differ even among experts, and the same 'expert' may assign a different grade to the same coin at any given point in time.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    As for the 93-S, I think there's too much wear on the turkey's wings for a VF designation, but you got robbed on the 81-CC. That's a super coin for a CC Morgan.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The die crack on the 81-CC should have nothing to do with the difference between a 64 or 65. It is an attractive coin and I would rather see the coin rather than speculate as to the reasons for a 4.

    The 1893-S is alittle more problematic...(for me anyway). While the wear is consistent with a VF20 grade, the coin really has been dipped and has been stripped of its originality. Not to be critical, but even though a F15 may not be what you hoped for, it is better than a Body Bag. If the coin were original, it would probably fetch a good $2,000 more than in its "conserved" state. The best news is that the 1893-s is definately not counterfeit.

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  • dollardudedollardude Posts: 1,263
    Congratulations on getting both of these slabbed! image I agree that the 1893-S is VF+, but lightly cleaned. I think the 1881-CC is correctly graded. BTW, my 1881-CC is PCGS MS64 and my 1893-S is PCGS AG03. The 1881-CC is my favorite coin in this series, as she usually comes fully struck with blinding luster.
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  • SethChandlerSethChandler Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭✭
    Eat some fried chicken, don't lick your fingers, then thumb the 93-S, that will tone it down a bit. Whalla!!!! You've bumped the grade by a few points........VF25.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow. The '93-S sure looks better than a 15. >>





    << <i>The 93-S looks like a VF30 to me; I suspect the light cleaning theory is a good one. >>



    Dang, I must be a tough customer, or just not up to speed on my Morgans (a distinct possibility). I would've 12'ed that.

    Neat coins, though, and that 81-CC shore is purty.

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