Two raw toned Buffaloes on Ebay - your thoughts?

Monstavet

Obviously, finding the three words "Raw" "Toned" and "Ebay" in one sentence is well, a death sentence for many coins, but curious as to opinions on these two. Withholding my opinion until I hear from some of the other folks here:

I really like the photo feature on this auction.
Buff#1


Buff#2

mojorizn

The 1913-S Type I won't pull a MS grade (obviously) which is what the doctor that AT'd it was trying to achieve. It also is not particularly well struck, with the peripheral legends disappearing into the rim of the coin. You can also see legitimate wear on the bison's flank and a lot of rub on the indian's haie detail above the ribbon. IMO: cleaned, artificially retoned, nowhere near the MS64 this guy is claiming.

The 1913-P Type I is nice! Not overly certain about the toning, but, for the money, I'd buy it!

My advice: skip the 1913-S, watch the 1913-P.

mojo

Cratylus

The guy selling the 1913 is a personal friend of mine so I can vouch for him. He has a good eye for nice coins.

coinbuf

What mojorizn said

Bunker

What mojorizn said

Ditto

jom

The S mint is terrible....picture blows too.

The P mint seems OK although I question the toning. Nothing to worry about though....

jom

Baley

I don't like either one.

ccex

The 1913-P would be slabbed by most other sellers. I doubt that most grading services would call the 1913-S mint state or original toning.

sliderider

AT for the first one, but the second one looks pretty good.

ziggy29

Agreed with most the others -- the '13-S is crap; the '13-P has questionable but possibly market acceptable toning, and is a pretty nice coin regardless.

coinfreak499

Both are AT

airplanenut

The 13-S, along with a lot of the other coins that guy sells, is AT. My gut feeling on the 13-P was that it, too, was AT.