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I was asked by my local coin shop for ID help on these German States coins since they know I post on this forum. This store is my favorite spot and I was delighted at the thought we could help them. They had done all the research possible but I insisted on doing my own pitiful research as well, to no avail. If anyone can indicate ID and value, I would be in their debt.

Please excuse the quality of the photography; these pictures reflect the lack of a macro-lens on my part, and the 1753 was particularly difficult to image, grey-green as it was.

The Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg heller has to be a 1710-it's the virtual match for the 1738 which is the earliest Krause lists in their all-German
catalog. The only difference I can find is in the use of U after Gotha (in the 1710) vs V (in the 1738) Is this then an earlier date than Krause has recorded in their catalog?

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I looked for hours through all my books for this 3 pfenning-the closest representation I could find (and it was obviously different) was from the german state of Pomerania. Not that many german states use a griffin, and this 3 pfenning has a griffin left w/sceptor and the reverse has the value above the date, Pomerania was a dutchy on the Baltic sea-I don't know if location has anything to do with design but... could find nothing. Of note is the floating crown above the head, a curious image; other city-state Griffins had the crown resting on the head. This is also the crudest of the Griffin images that I found.

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By the time I was done looking for the first two, this 1753 1/4 Stuber received short shrift. Could be German, could be Austrian I suppose- the "Instant Identifier" was no help and I could find nothing in my German Krause.
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Comments

  • I do know that some early 1700's coins don't make it into Krause because they are part of a late 1600's span. I know it's not
    much help (don't have a 1700s Krause) but I would think they're all German States coins as opposed to Austria.
  • CIVITASCIVITAS Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg heller has to be a 1710-it's the virtual match for the 1738 which is the earliest Krause lists in their all-German
    catalog. The only difference I can find is in the use of U after Gotha (in the 1710) vs V (in the 1738) Is this then an earlier date than Krause has recorded in their catalog?
    >>



    Yes. Minted under Friedrich II 1691-1732. 1 Heller. Schön #6.



    << <i>I looked for hours through all my books for this 3 pfenning-the closest representation I could find (and it was obviously different) was from the german state of Pomerania. Not that many german states use a griffin, and this 3 pfenning has a griffin left w/sceptor and the reverse has the value above the date, Pomerania was a dutchy on the Baltic sea-I don't know if location has anything to do with design but... could find nothing. Of note is the floating crown above the head, a curious image; other city-state Griffins had the crown resting on the head. This is also the crudest of the Griffin images that I found. >>



    You got it right. You're letting the centering on the reverse fool you. The K.S.P.L.M. legend is above the griffin and off the flan in this case. Date is 1806 or 1808. Schön #30; KM# 422. For what it's worth, Schön doesn't list an 1808 for this type, only Krause does.

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  • CIVITASCIVITAS Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭
    Forgot there was one more.

    1/4 Stuber is 1753 C from Cleves. KM#55. Pretty much a "Bargain Bin" coin in that condition though.

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  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    Civitas-you have done yeoman work here!image

    If you only knew how many hours I spent poring over German States Coins... at least I'm more up to speed on them than I was before.

    Thank you again for the hard work-there's not much that can't be identified here.image
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    is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
  • I looked in my Krause for the second one and indeed only the Pomerania listing provided a close match. I was going to suggest that it is an unlisted variety without the legend, but thought that such a suggestion would be stupid image
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