1984 RALSTON PURINA PSA doesnt grade them?
boggs301012
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I sent in one and they indicated on the invoice no holder aval. And I am confused. PSA doesnt grade them and that was there excuse? Anyone with any insight? This is the 3rd invoice in a row they didnt holder a standard sized card the other 2 I was able to call befor it was shipped and had them holdered.
James
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I am not sure what happened there... I have a 1984 Ralston Purina Nolan Ryan that's graded PSA 9.
I thought perhaps it was produced in sheet form. But they just indicated no holder aval do not grade. Couldnt PSA have graded it as "hand cut"? I would have settled for that. I checked the pop reort and saw some were graded so I " AS U ME D "they graded them. PSA should in the pops indicate no longer grading or something.
CON40
When did you have yours graded?
James
I had mine graded about 15 months ago... and I also have many many raw copies of the Ryan... the centering is all over the place which leads me to believe these are factory cut (at least the copies I own) as post-factory trims are generally very accurate... and those may be out there too as ms suggests (wouldn't surprise me as many food issues are available both ways).
If the copy you own was cut from a sheet, PSA would not label it "no holder available" and offer a credit for future grading... they would have labeled it "evidence of trimming" or maybe "miscut" and offer no credit... did you receive a credit?
<< <i>James;
I had mine graded about 15 months ago... and I also have many many raw copies of the Ryan... the centering is all over the place which leads me to believe these are factory cut (at least the copies I own) as post-factory trims are generally very accurate... and those may be out there too as ms suggests (wouldn't surprise me as many food issues are available both ways).
If the copy you own was cut from a sheet, PSA would not label it "no holder available" and offer a credit for future grading... they would have labeled it "evidence of trimming" or maybe "miscut" and offer no credit... did you receive a credit? >>
Keith/James:
When I've submitted these in the past, and had them returned ungraded, I always got a credit for them. I think it was more of a "do not grade" thing. It wasn't a trimming thing, for sure. But I've purchased graded examples on the secondary market. As I've said - PSA is horribly inconsistent with the oddballs. I can name numerous Schmidt oddballs that have at various times been graded or not, sometimes no for me and yes for Darton...with no consistent rhyme or reason.
~ms
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James
<< <i>CON40 yes they gave me a credit. I wonder why it couldnt have been grad atleast handcut?
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I am guessing that their philosophy is that they don't want to confuse the issue. Why grade the hand cut ones when they are factory cut ones? Would you need two entries on the Master Set Registry - one for hand cut and one for not? I don't know - just my thought. If you take your philosophy a little larger - why wouldn't PSA simply grade ALL sheet cut cards as "Hand Cut"...
I wouldnt have an issue with that atleast I could have it graded. ANd as far as the registry either way would be accepted. Half my point is had I know I wouldnt have sent it and gone thru the 100 to submitt the best. And I wasted psa 's time aswell.
James
<< <i>why wouldn't PSA simply grade ALL sheet cut cards as "Hand Cut"... If PSA cant tell between them then that is fine
I wouldnt have an issue with that atleast I could have it graded. ANd as far as the registry either way would be accepted. Half my point is had I know I wouldnt have sent it and gone thru the 100 to submitt the best. And I wasted psa 's time aswell.
James >>
James - you didn't waste your time, though. Here's the rub: Again, with the many oddball Schmidt's I've submitted - they reject them one time and grade them the next. I've seen this with many of the oddballs, and there just is never a consistent message. It is tiring, frustrating, and annoying - but it just ends up being PSA's modus operandi. PSA clearly does grade this issue - and I've seen very high grade examples that may not have been factory cut. I wish I knew what the answer was - but there is not a clear customer relations person to deal with on many of these oddballs, for starters - and it is probably a different grader every time. It sucks, I know. But the fact of the matter is PSA does grade this issue - and I'm not even sure there is many good ways to tell the difference between a well-centered factory cut from a contemporaneously sheet-cut example. (e.g. cut back in 1984)
~ms
<< <i>centering is all over the place which leads me to believe these are factory cut (at least the copies I own) as post-factory trims are generally very accurate >>
I have 5 or 6 sets of these and this statement is correct..........the centering is ALL over the place. Was going so submit a few but with the new 'news' (I know they graded these in the past), back in the box they will go.
BOTR
MS is right... PSA is all over the place on oddballs... compound that with the fact that they never communicate any clear reason why a card does NOT get slabbed, and you have t scratch your head.
Maybe if you called/emailed Joe Orlando he can tell you if there is a discrepancy between sheet cut and factory cut cards in this issue... it's the only reason that makes sense why your copy would not get graded.
James
James
<< <i>I called PSA and there customer service rep advised me they no longer grade the issue. He called and spoke with there spec dept. I think that is what he called it. SO i guess this month it is a no go. I will add it to future invoices and see what happens.
James >>
Well - if that REALLY were the case, they shouldn't be allowed on the master registry - but I digress. Their inconsistency is baffling sometimes. At least that was always their reason for not allowing the Nestle cards on the PSA Registry (the ones I spent some nice coin on back from the days that PSA did grade them...)
~ms
I agree I didnt realize til a few days ago PSA changed there mind on grading the cards ( as you know) I will email and ask that is be removed from the registry. And I will email Joe O and ask in the pop report could there be an * for cards they are no longer grading. To help other collectors like you and myself.