Walker upgrades

coynclecter

Has anyone had success upgrading Walkers. I have about 5 beauties in older holders. Are they hard to upgrade? What do they look for going 64 to 65 or 65 to 66 any help is appreciated.

Thanks

airplanenut

A few major areas:

-The sun--mark free is always good
-Lustre is a necessity
-The hand/thumb are both indicators of a strong strike, and many 64s lack this

Russ

With Walkers, luster is king, particularly to get in to a holder above MS65. For technical grade focal points are the skirt and leg chatter, as well as the eagle's breast and wings. But, a little bit of extra bagginess in these areas can frequently be overcome by eye popping luster. Strike will vary as an issue depending on year and mint. For example, in the 1940's coins, P mints should be well struck, while S mints tend to be weak.

Russ, NCNE

coynclecter

Thanks guys. Most of mine have real good luster. I noticed the 64s seem a little flatter. Guess I send some in and try.

puff

Russ and Airplanenut are pretty much on the money, but the years that have particularly bad strikes are 1941-S, 1942-S, 1936-S, and most of the "S" series mint marks to one degree or the other, and most all series can be found with weakness in areas of the head and hand, but inparticularly the above mentioned, and can also be found with weakness in the head while the hand is relatively good, or vice versa, plus the upper skirtlines in this series have weakness in the strike......

Also the 1946-P mint would be the most difficult in my opinion of the "late date" short set series, (1933 to 1947), of Walkers that would have these same strike weaknesses, and the series of Walkers that I am most familiar with...... Also the 1936-S most of the time has luster that can be extremely dull even in the ms66 grades, and when you find one that has extra nice luster, this would be a plus and almost always a minimim of ms66.

Edited to add: By the way in answer to your question of upgrading, I have had 3 upgrade without cracking, from ms 66 to ms 67.

coynclecter

When you say these dates are "known" for weak strikes does that mean that it is considered in grading or are all dates graded alike and hence these will often grade lower.

Russ

<< <i>When you say these dates are "known" for weak strikes does that mean that it is considered in grading >>



Yes, they do consider strike relativity when grading. For example, the 1944 P mint is known for a strong strike, and the 1941-S is known for a weak strike. Given equal strikes and other factors, luster, marks, etc. for the two coins, the 1944 would likely receive a lower grade than the 1941-S.

Russ, NCNE

puff

<< <i>

<< <i>When you say these dates are "known" for weak strikes does that mean that it is considered in grading >>



Yes, they do consider strike relativity when grading. For example, the 1944 P mint is known for a strong strike, and the 1941-S is known for a weak strike. Given equal strikes and other factors, luster, marks, etc. for the two coins, the 1944 would likely receive a lower grade than the 1941-S.

Russ, NCNE >>



Here is my 1944 PCGS ms67 for example.

coynclecter

Thanks again and I will continue to impose.

Take this one for example



1941D

even with great luster, the strike looks weak, I think it stuck in 64

Here's a nice one 65 , can the luster carry it to 66?



1945


Trying to learn, I owe you guys coffee (gotta come to Long Beach for it)

BTW how can I get those pictures into the reply box

Russ

I like the look of that 1941-D and, based on the images, I could see it in an MS65 holder.

Can't really tell with the 1945 - the hazards of using a scanner with these. It kills luster.

Russ, NCNE

coynclecter

Thanks Russ


of course now I'll have 10- more bidders to fight LOL

Russ

When I was building my Walker short set, that 1941-D was exactly the type of coin I was looking for. If I was still looking, you'd be paying some stiff money to get it.

Russ, NCNE

coynclecter

I'm sure I'll end up paying some stiff money for this one but hey...Bring it on!!!!!

coynclecter

I guess no one wants Walkers

The 41D cost me 94 bucks and the 45P, 160 GS bid, cost me 127

I'm happy

haletj

Seems like pretty nice purchases!

So on the 1944 (and also my own 1944) the hand is still not complete, at least compared to other dates. Do 1944's exist with a fuller hand?

I tried selling my partial ms64 Walker set on BST and ebay but it didn't sell. I'm now going to send a few of the best ones to pcgs in hopes I can get an ms65 or two.

ireichel

Will you crack them out, or send them for a regrade?

coynclecter

Depends on how they look when they come in.

I also snagged this BIN while waiting

MS66

100proof1957

The 41 D looks like a 65

As far as the 41 S,PCGS will screw ya everytime for a soft thumb !