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Did anyone see that '65 Morgan RC PSA 10?

The seller canceled the auction 51 seconds before it should have ended. What a jerk!
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  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    On most desirable & low pop cards that I auction, the last 10 seconds are where the fireworks begin. The seller might have made a killing if he let it play its course. If not, thats why they call it an auction!!! - Ya can''t have it both ways! The seller should have set a reserve if he was worried. I can't believe that eBay (a money driven machine) allows people to pull the plug on an auction. It is not fair to any of the bidding public and even eBay loses their % of a final sale. Imagine if Mastro's or LeLands pulled an auction at any time during its run, let alone the last few seconds? There would be a public outcry and many bidders wouldn't bid w/ them again...jay
  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,983 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This seller is really chicken. The bidding was over $3,000 when he canceled it. Almost impossible to know what a 1/1 like this would exactly sell for, but over $3,000 for this card isn't too bad in my opinion. I'm guessing that the 9's sell for around $1,500 so definitely getting over $3,000 for a 10 is not unreasonable. And as was stated, he possibly/probably would have gotten much more. Obviously he was expecting a lot more. But there should be NO excuse for ending an auction with a minute to go.
  • rvcrvc Posts: 559 ✭✭
    that is one fine card!

    bobby
    Bob
  • what a joke... ebay should pull his account
  • jmpkcpjmpkcp Posts: 97 ✭✭
    I told him to fix or close his auction. He claimed the card was a 1 of 1 pop when there are actually 2 PSA 10 Morgan RCs. He did the right thing by making sure someone didn't buy the card thinking it was a 1 of 1. Kudos to the seller for doing the right thing. Shame on all of you for judging before knowing the facts.

    jmpkcp
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    did u tell him 2 minutes b4 the auction was to end? at what point during the auction was this fellow advised that he had the pop wrong?
    Good for you.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,406 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>did u tell him 2 minutes b4 the auction was to end? at what point during the auction was this fellow advised that he had the pop wrong? >>


    Great question Steve...JM, you may want to hold your indignation for a moment.
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  • Shame on all of you for judging before knowing the facts.

    It appears the seller is the one who did not have his facts right.

    Dave C.
  • jmpkcpjmpkcp Posts: 97 ✭✭
    No, actually the seller DID have the facts right when he made the auction. The pop report was updated in the middle of his auction, and I did notfiy him to edit or close the auction when I first noticed it, which was on the last day of the auction. Since so many people had bid on it as a one of one population, the only fair thing to do was for the seller to close the auction.

    I just feel it is a major shame when people are judged before people know the whole story. This seller was called a jerk and a chicken and someone said he should be kicked off of Ebay. Taking into account that the seller did the RIGHT thing, which is so rare nowadays, we should all be applauding his actions, not berating him.

    jmpkcp


  • << <i>Shame on all of you for judging before knowing the facts. >>



    We are talking about 51 seconds here. The seller literally waited until the last minute possible to pull his auction. That is hardly a coincidence considering he quoted other PSA 10's from the set going for $14,500 and $8,763. Meanwhile, his card was going for only $3050.05 even as a "perceived" 1/1. If his conscience was eating him up, he could have simply amended the auction or at least listed that as why he ended the auction.

    Brian
  • Seems pretty clear that based on the "comparables" and inferences that the seller listed in the auction, he was expecting this card to draw significantly more than $10K and probably more than $15K.
    I suspect that his actions had more to do with $ than protecting the buyer.
    I do not believe that the standard of this board is to have the seller edit or pull every auction where the pop report changes after the listing. The hope here is to get it right when it is listed.
    I do not want to berate or applaud the guy. He did what he did, for reasons of his own choosing and will live with the consequences. EBay gave him the right to do what he did. THe future bidders in his auctions now have the right to do what they choose as well.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    and I did notfiy him to edit or close the auction when I first noticed it,



    the ebay community thanks you
    Good for you.
  • jmpkcpjmpkcp Posts: 97 ✭✭
    Nevermind, I checked my past e-mails and I let the guy know at 6:01 a.m. that morning. He had plenty of time to pull his auction before the time he did. He is a ba$tard, on that we can agree. I do like to give sellers with great feedback the benefit of the doubt, but I know he was at a computer during that day, so he could've done it at anytime sooner.

    I'll bet snipes were set in place for over $6000.

    jmpkcp
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    He is a ba$tard, on that we can agree


    sorry i disagree with u on that
    Good for you.
  • I don't disagree... I think eBay should edit their software and not allow people to pull an auction in the last hour. Afterall, if bidders can't retract a bid during the last 12 hours of the auction, why should the seller be able to pull it anytime he chooses, even with 1 second left???

    ebay needs to do the right thing and step up to the plate to stop this kind of abuse.

    however, this is yet another reason (along with the rampant fraud ebay does nothing about) that ebay will never be as big as it could be.

    the only thing I can't figure out is this... when someone sells a fake '52 mantle card for $1500, ebay gets their chunk of that. but when someone pulls an auction thats already about $3000 with about 45 seconds to go, ebay loses out on an even bigger chunk of $$$.

    so why do they let those people not only scam the bidders, but scam themselves (ebay) as well???
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    I agree that eBay has an incentive to prevent last-moment cancellations, because it loses its % of the sale (though it keeps the listing fee).

    However, as a practical matter there is no way to force someone to sell their item if they consider the price is too low. All they have to do is fail to ship it and say it was lost in the mail. When the buyer files a claim, the seller issues a refund, is off the hook and then is free to "recover" the item and try to get a better price. I have had this happen to me. Also the variation where the seller claims he stepped on the card and broke the holder, returned my PayPal payment, then put the same card with the same PSA # up on eBay a few weeks later. I had the last laugh on that one; it sold for less than I paid.

    So given all the ways a seller can get out of a deal, cancelling the auction is no worse than the other ways, except eBay loses its cut of the sale price and there is no buyer to be screwed over. As long as eBay gives sellers the option of cancelling at any time, and of simply picking one of three reasons for doing so, some sellers will take advantage of that. Removing the cancellation option when the auction is down to 6 or 12 or 24 hours sounds like a reasonable idea.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    i simply assumed that his parents were married when he was conceived, thus I disagreed with him being called a ba$tard.

    as for ebay the ba$tards that run that place need to clean it up!





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    Good for you.
  • If he lists it soon as a 1 of 2, then I give him the benefit of the doubt.

    If we dont see it again, then no.
  • HCSHCS Posts: 61 ✭✭
    Buy the card, not the holder...regardless of seller. If you really want this beautiful Morgan RC, will you really care the seller had pulled a previous auction early? Remember, card collecting is an addiction. Don't fight it, just enjoy it. As distasteful as pulling an auction early, this is neither the first or last time this will happen. Let's hope the card surfaces again.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    card collecting is an addiction.



    another comment i would disagree with.
    Good for you.
  • trust me he wasnt trying to save the collector here he wants 20k for the card he is in dream land and when it was only at 3k he was like hell no i am not selling it for that cause i e-mailed him first day of the auction letting him know it was not a 1of1 because we have the first one and in the same responce he told me if it didnt bring 20k he was keeping it so the mystery is solved his decision was money motivated
    hope this helps
    daveimage
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    ok i'll agree maybe he is a ba$tard then.
    Good for you.
  • HCSHCS Posts: 61 ✭✭
    Thanks for the info Dave. I had a $4,000 snipe set up for this card. It looks like like I am way off. $20K? Was anyone planning or willing to spend that kind of cash on this beauty?
  • HCSHCS Posts: 61 ✭✭
    Where are all the 65 collectors? Did anyone else have a snipe set up?


  • << <i>Where are all the 65 collectors? Did anyone else have a snipe set up? >>



    The card is way too nice for my set. The high bidder before the bids got canceled is #1 on the registry.

    Brian
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