What says you? (grade these Jeffersons)

Craton

If you already know the grades due to my previous post, please don't chime in.
Just got these back from PCGS today. What do you think they graded them?

nwcs

First looks 64/65 and the second 63/64

keets

MS63/MS63.

al h.

Bunker

64/63

cladking

64/62

TonedCoinTrader

64/64

mgoodm3

64/64

Craton

You guys all are thinking along the same lines as I was. Not super high grade but certainly uncirculated. PCGS gave me the sad grades of AU58 on both of them! I wasn't looking for MS67's but come on, 58's?

keets

how's the luster?? i assume that in-hand the coins don't look as bad as the huge pictures depict them, so the AU probably came off of a determination of broken luster. combined with the contacts, that would seem correct. luster can be hard to determine in pictures but these two look OK.

al h.

ziggy29

<< <i>how's the luster?? i assume that in-hand the coins don't look as bad as the huge pictures depict them, so the AU probably came off of a determination of broken luster. combined with the contacts, that would seem correct. luster can be hard to determine in pictures but these two look OK. >>

I'll let you know. I've agreed to take the first of the two off his hands for my type set.

Pennycase

I live along strict lines of...Well, I know that it was exchanged through a register at least a couple of times, therefor, it is AU....Untill other dealers and or collectors can become as honest, then a lot of people will continue to be jipped into buying something that because it's labeled M.S. , and it is very shiny, it has to be, just because the dealer forgot to tell you it ended up in his register, he took it out and made a nice little profit off of it...Maybe I am differant from other people, and live in my own little world, but, it's not uncirculated unless it hasn't reached circulation. I may be a luckier one, I work around a register all day with an average of 5 customers every 10 or so minutes, I am able to study up on grading quite a bit, and know the differance between an actual AU piece, and an MS coin. Just like the coin you are showing right now, I've found several examples of it years back that were very nice looking pieces, from eye glance, they looked UNC, but, they were exchanged to a bank, came from the bank in a roll, to my register, and god knows how many other times they have exchanged bare hands. All in all, my opinion is that PCGS did the right thing, that grade fits the coin in question, another opinion is that they should get even stricter than they already are, as well as the other grading services, perhaps stick them behind a register for a year or two, then they may be able to know the differance between the AU and UNC which is reality. But you know what they say, opinions are like &!#%*@(# , everyone has one, it's just that not many are as willing to moon the crowd when it comes time..

cladking

AU did cross my mind on that second one, but hated to say it. It's hard to tell for sure from the
picture but it looks just a little gray on the high points, especially over the ear and on the eyebrow,
and high on the cheek. It may be more in the nature of a light rub over the unattractive planchet
defects more than true wear however.

They were unnecesarily harsh on the first coin unless the picture looks a lot better than the coin.

MJPHELAN

Welcome to the AU-58 club

DennisH

MS64
MS64

Craton

<< <i>Welcome to the AU-58 club >>



Thanks. Consider me a disgruntled member

sliderider

Look like strong 63s to me. Bagmarks on the devices keep me from guessing higher.

Note: If you already posted the grades, I haven't scrolled down to read them yet. I post my responses off the first message in the thread as soon as I read it.

Craton

Well you have probably read them by now and you are right in line with most everybody else.

ziggy29

Just got the coin today, the first of these two -- thanks, Jason.

You were robbed. Looks like a no-brainer 63, probably a 64. I can't imagine a better AU-58 holdered "slider" out there in the Jefferson series. What have you done to pi$$ off PCGS?

Shamika

64/63