1965 Silver Quarter struck on wrong planchet. What the heck is this thing????

TheNumish

Picked this up today at the coin show in Richardson, Texas. Very cool looking error. It's a 1965 silver quarter struck on the wrong planchet. Coin looks real to me and is definetely silver. Have not had a chance to weigh it yet but it is too heavy to be struck from a dime planchet. I'm thinking it was struck on a foreign planchet but can't figure out which country it would have been from. Anyone have any thoughts?

rainbowroosie

Only that I like it!!!

longtimecollector

judging from the strength of the reeding that I can see, I" gonna have to go with post mint alteration....... I think that an undersized planchet wouldnt flow when struck in such a way to provide enough metal/pressure to raise reeds like that..... just my WAG

Russ

<< <i>I" gonna have to go with post mint alteration....... >>



The problem is that silver quarters were not produced in 1965.

Russ, NCNE

Gonfunko

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<< <i>I" gonna have to go with post mint alteration....... >>



The problem is that silver quarters were not produced in 1965.

Russ, NCNE >>


Are you sure? I thought I read that the mint was simultaneously producing silver and clad coins in 1964-1965.

PhillyJoe

I think 1964 production continued into 1965, but 1965 dated coins are clad. What does the edge look like?
In 1964, the Philadelphia mint made almost as many coins for the Philippines as it did for ourselves. The weekly production reports kept tallies on both so your foreign coin idea may have something there. Since the Philippines didn't require anything with accented hair I didn't pay close attention.

Joe

Russ

<< <i>Are you sure? I thought I read that the mint was simultaneously producing silver and clad coins in 1964-1965. >>



I should have been more clear. Quarters dated 1965 were not deliberately minted in silver composition.

Russ, NCNE

cladking

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<< <i>Are you sure? I thought I read that the mint was simultaneously producing silver and clad coins in 1964-1965. >>



I should have been more clear. Quarters dated 1965 were not deliberately minted in silver composition.

Russ, NCNE >>



There are about a dozen '65 90% silver quarters known and a similar number of silver dimes.
There is also a unique '64 clad quarter. Of course it's unlikely one of these would be altered.
It doesn't look too far off from what it would look like struck on a silver dime planchet. There's
a list of foreign coins struck at the mint in 1965 in this week's or next week's issue of Coin World.

cladking

Should have added that it could be a major score.

Very interesting coin!!!

cladking

It's very close to what a quarter would look like struck on a dime planchet punched from silver quarter stock.






edited- d'oh, added second to last word.

coppercoins

I agree completely with Cladking...a very nice coin, and definitely NOT a post-mint alteration in my opinion.

seanq

It certainly looks legitimate, and resembles other quarters on dime planchets I've seen.

To add another bit of evidence in your favor, I remembered seeing another reference to a transitional off-metal, and pulled out my March 2002 ANACS Population report. ANACS has certified not one, not two, but THREE 1965 Quarters on silver dime planchets, all in mint state (MS60, MS62, and MS63). That's a pretty convincing precedent.

I can't lay my hands on my copy of 'Foreign Coins Produced at U.S. Mints' (if you saw my basement, you would not be the least surprised), so that can't be completely ruled out. I do think it is less likely than the above.

Even without knowing what you paid for the coin, I'd call a transitional off-metal a MAJOR score!


Sean Reynolds

Spinynorman

There weren't any foreign coins produced by the mint in 64 or 65.

seanq

Just realized no one had added the pics to the thread:

TheNumish

About 25% of the coin is reeded on the top half. The rest is smooth.

Checked the Philippines and it looks like their coins were not silver in 1965.

I'm stumped. I think I'm going to send it to PCGS or NGC and let them figure it out. I hope they spend more than 1.2 seconds looking at it.

Rob790

Nice score and there's nothing wrong with the reeding on it. How do you know it's silver? What type of testing was done? You would need to weigh it and perform a specific gravity test before anyone could really give you any real help in ID'ing it.

TheNumish

Monday I'll use a scale and weigh it to see if it is the same as a dime. The coin is very thin but just feels heavier than a dime. Maybe just seems heavier than a dime because of it's size.

Coin looks like a silver coin. No testing was done.



Thanks for all the responses!!!!!!

cdwegner

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I can't lay my hands on my copy of 'Foreign Coins Produced at U.S. Mints' (if you saw my basement, you would not be the least surprised), so that can't be completely ruled out. I do think it is less likely than the above.

Sean Reynolds >>



Sean,

Does your copy of 'Foreign Coins Produced at U.S. Mints' include 1965? Mine only goes to 1963...

Bikingnut

There is also a unique '64 clad quarter

Now that would be a cool error.

braddick

<< <i>About 25% of the coin is reeded on the top half. The rest is smooth. Checked the Philippines and it looks like their coins were not silver in 1965. I'm stumped. I think I'm going to send it to PCGS or NGC and let them figure it out. I hope they spend more than 1.2 seconds looking at it. >>

PCGS shops out their errors to an expert in the field (he even sometimes posts here!). It'll definitely get more than just the standard "looksie".

I guess I'm a skeptic as I do believe it's a post-mint alteration as the likelihood of other possibilities is so remote as to appear beyond simply improbable. I would love to be proven wrong though!

cdwegner

it does look too perfectly clipped. I hope it's a real error though. that would be great.

MrEureka

Looks right to me. Cool coin!

relayer

It's very cool - whatever it is

MrPlatinum

I would submit this for grading, more for the authentication then the grading, in my opinion the coin looks to have been lightly cleaned.


You might want to submit this to ANACS first, then try to do a cross with PCGS.

errormaven

It appears to be a genuine wrong planchet error. If there is no copper core on the edge, and it weighs 2.5 grams, then it would almost certainly be a quarter struck on a silver dime planchet. A transitional error, in other words, worth perhaps $10,000.

The amount of expansion seen seems about right for a dime planchet struck within a quarter collar and which is free to expand wherever it is not confined by the collar.

Congratulations on your acquisition.

--Mike Diamond

lordmarcovan

Certainly looks silver to me. As to being struck on a dime planchet, I have no idea, but it would certainly be a helluva nice score if you had it authenticated as such!