Cleveland Show report.
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I went to the Ohio Coin Expo in Cleveland this afternoon and my initial thoughts are that it was a bit over-hyped with that title and the dealers there seem to be suffering from "Show Lag" after two weeks non-stop with the PAN and ANA Shows only a few hours away. Many of the dealers today were at the other shows, either behind a table or searching for stock. There were a few nice items I saw, though.
Raw coins were in abundance probably an even match with slabs. The first really neat thing I saw was a PCGS green holdered Merc, 1939 MS67 with very pretty peripheral tone. Another dealer had three cases full of very colorful coins of all denominations. The standouts were the Peace Dollars but they were priced accordingly, with a nice Obverse rainbow 1923 NGC MS63 remaining unsold at $700. Most of the coins were common dates, 1922P-1925P, and they looked like roll and bag toners, mainly one-sided. I had an interesting discussion with the dealer who posts at the NGC forum and thinks there's just a bit too much controversy and back-biting here to get involved. What a wise man!!!!!!
He also made mention of two widely marketed and highly regarded toned coin hoards, the Appalacian Jeffersons and the Peakok Ike Dollars. Take my word for it, you don't want to know what he said, especially if you own any of those coins. The long and short of our 10 minutes was to be cautious with regards to toned coins and those Peace Dollars with some appealing color can be found, but at a price.
I spent some time with Mdwoods at the table of a dealer who had enough Canadian material to keep Mark interested. I busied myself picking through his Mint/Proof sets. He had a PCI 3CN, 1865 MS63 with some of the most dramatic clash I've seen. The wreath almost totally encircled Liberty and was quite strong. He also had a couple of the Gallery Mint pattern dollars. Unfortunately he wouldn't budge on what I thought were maxed out asking prices.
There were some dealers with exonumia which provided the days highlights. One guy that I'd met last week in Pittsburgh had a gold Hendrik Hudson "Daldaar" which is quite rare with a total of perhaps 50 medals struck. The hitch was that I suspected it may be a cast copy. We made agreement on a price and he'll be sending it to NGC for authentication and contact me afte it's return. It's a really beautiful, frosty medal that's slightly larger than a gold dollar and has the bust of Hudson on the obverse and a sailing ship on the reverse, dated 1609-1909 with reference to New Amsterdam. Ironically, I just won an aluminum example on eBay about three days ago.
The second guy had some medals scattered in his case and one looked like it was a "Four Portraits" medal from the Panama-Pacific Exposition in 1915. It turned out being a medal to commemorate the surrender at Yorktown on October 19, 1781 and was presented by the State of Pennsylvania on the Centennial. The four portaraits are of Washington, DeGrasse, LaFayett and Rochambeau on the obverse with a heraldic shield reverse. We were able to locate it in a reference the dealer had which shows it to be a design by none other than George Morgan and it's listed as an R-8. Can anyone tell me how many that is, approximately?? The composition is white metal and it has mirrored relief surfaces and minimal discoloring on the high points. Not bad, eh?? It was a steal!!!
I also talked with a couple of dealers who had some interesting Jeffersons. One had some 1970-S MS early strikes with pristine mirrored fields and a 1967 non-SMS with beautiful toning. His prices were exhorbitant. A few tables away was a guy with a 1941-S/large S holdered by ANACS as AU53 and a 1980-P which was absent the designers initials due to excessive die polish. Both guys had 1954-D/S and S/D examples along with three 1946 DDR Walkers. Kind of cool the way oddities sometimes show up en masse. Still further along the wall was a wonderfully toned 1926 Sesqui. Pure eye candy!!
Me and Mark also met Todd Abbey and chatted for awhile. Hopefully he can fill in a few holes in a modern set I have. After a couple of more laps around the floor, we headed out the door. Enjoy the show on Sat-Sun and try not to spend too much money.
Al H.
Raw coins were in abundance probably an even match with slabs. The first really neat thing I saw was a PCGS green holdered Merc, 1939 MS67 with very pretty peripheral tone. Another dealer had three cases full of very colorful coins of all denominations. The standouts were the Peace Dollars but they were priced accordingly, with a nice Obverse rainbow 1923 NGC MS63 remaining unsold at $700. Most of the coins were common dates, 1922P-1925P, and they looked like roll and bag toners, mainly one-sided. I had an interesting discussion with the dealer who posts at the NGC forum and thinks there's just a bit too much controversy and back-biting here to get involved. What a wise man!!!!!!
He also made mention of two widely marketed and highly regarded toned coin hoards, the Appalacian Jeffersons and the Peakok Ike Dollars. Take my word for it, you don't want to know what he said, especially if you own any of those coins. The long and short of our 10 minutes was to be cautious with regards to toned coins and those Peace Dollars with some appealing color can be found, but at a price.I spent some time with Mdwoods at the table of a dealer who had enough Canadian material to keep Mark interested. I busied myself picking through his Mint/Proof sets. He had a PCI 3CN, 1865 MS63 with some of the most dramatic clash I've seen. The wreath almost totally encircled Liberty and was quite strong. He also had a couple of the Gallery Mint pattern dollars. Unfortunately he wouldn't budge on what I thought were maxed out asking prices.
There were some dealers with exonumia which provided the days highlights. One guy that I'd met last week in Pittsburgh had a gold Hendrik Hudson "Daldaar" which is quite rare with a total of perhaps 50 medals struck. The hitch was that I suspected it may be a cast copy. We made agreement on a price and he'll be sending it to NGC for authentication and contact me afte it's return. It's a really beautiful, frosty medal that's slightly larger than a gold dollar and has the bust of Hudson on the obverse and a sailing ship on the reverse, dated 1609-1909 with reference to New Amsterdam. Ironically, I just won an aluminum example on eBay about three days ago.
The second guy had some medals scattered in his case and one looked like it was a "Four Portraits" medal from the Panama-Pacific Exposition in 1915. It turned out being a medal to commemorate the surrender at Yorktown on October 19, 1781 and was presented by the State of Pennsylvania on the Centennial. The four portaraits are of Washington, DeGrasse, LaFayett and Rochambeau on the obverse with a heraldic shield reverse. We were able to locate it in a reference the dealer had which shows it to be a design by none other than George Morgan and it's listed as an R-8. Can anyone tell me how many that is, approximately?? The composition is white metal and it has mirrored relief surfaces and minimal discoloring on the high points. Not bad, eh?? It was a steal!!!
I also talked with a couple of dealers who had some interesting Jeffersons. One had some 1970-S MS early strikes with pristine mirrored fields and a 1967 non-SMS with beautiful toning. His prices were exhorbitant. A few tables away was a guy with a 1941-S/large S holdered by ANACS as AU53 and a 1980-P which was absent the designers initials due to excessive die polish. Both guys had 1954-D/S and S/D examples along with three 1946 DDR Walkers. Kind of cool the way oddities sometimes show up en masse. Still further along the wall was a wonderfully toned 1926 Sesqui. Pure eye candy!!
Me and Mark also met Todd Abbey and chatted for awhile. Hopefully he can fill in a few holes in a modern set I have. After a couple of more laps around the floor, we headed out the door. Enjoy the show on Sat-Sun and try not to spend too much money.
Al H.
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Uhhh...and what did say about those Appalachian Jeffs?
-YN Currently Collecting & Researching Colonial World Coins, Especially Spanish Coins, With a Great Interest in WWII Militaria.
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i noticed one token that was raw.
al h.
<< <i>hey Scott
i noticed one token that was raw.
al h.
ONE! Thats it, where the hell is Scott gonna get his tokens!
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al h.
<< <i>in Columbus!!! PM what you're looking for and what your budget is. i'll keep my eyes open on Friday and let you know what i see for the Saturday scoop!!
al h.
That would be great, but I don't have my books yet so Im not exactally sure yet, should be getting them in the mail in a couple of weeks, and im still not allowed to buy on the net yet, but as of now im trying to get them to give me some kind of small limit like $15 and work up from there, I mean its not like im buying drugs.
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Paul
i didn't look at any the Mercs with an intent to buy so i never checked prices. there were plenty, though.
just go, man. just go!!!!!!! when you get there look for Mdwoods. he'll be easy to pick out in that U of M thong.
al h.
Did you have to go and cast dispersions on the current object
of my affections.
Camelot
Some of his older posts can still be found here on these forums when the "search" engine is put to a test.
-Sounds like you had a great time at the show!
Post some photos of your Medals when you get a chance.
peacockcoins
if that was truthteller i didn't know it. he happened to ask me if i went to the PCGS forum and never bothered to introduce himself or ask who i was. niether of us had on any kind of an ID/name badge. if you describe him to me i can get an idea of whether or not it was him. also, i happened to grab a business card and could tell from that if it was him, provided he has shop or web site you could identify.
i'll try to post some pictures later in September. i got hit with a virus a few months ago and have never re-installed photo-shop, haven't taken a picture since. as it now appears we'll be moving into our new home next weekend, it might be awhile before i get the camera going. my plan is to get some type of permanent set-up since i'll have much more room, but with moving and packing and the kids going back to school and actually living with other people again, it may be several weeks!!!
take my word for it, though, these two new medals are a major score and totally, totally unexpected. the 1881 is noted on the flip as Dr. Schuster Coll and the dealer had quite a bit of Washingtonia. he had a large reference volume that it was listed/described in, so it's plausible that NGC ANACS may holder it. i'm amazed at what's out there, true rarity and beauty with historical significance-----and completely ignored by the collecting community.
can you help with the rarity estimate?? it was listed as R-8.
as for the gold Hudson-Fulton Dollar, i have my fingers crossed that it's not a counterfiet. the dealer seemed to think it was legit due to the collection it was bought with, an old timer who owned it since the mid 1950's and had it in the ??original?? case. like i said, my fingers are crossed since gold SC$'s are almost always low mintage and impossible to find.
al h.
I have an envelope with images of the Hudson Fulton gold dollar size medal on it. I believe it was sent from Thomas Elder to Virgil Brand. Pretty cool item and a great gowith for the medal you just got. I'll bring it to the next coin show our paths will cross.
Bill
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