1893-S Morgan diagnostics ?

ss350camaro

Was wondering if one of you Morgan experts could take a look at these pics and educate the rest of us on how to determine the 'real deal' from the fakes.

Thanks P.S. not my coin .......... pics 'lifted' from the bay of e

eyoung429

I am not an expert, but that looks too "flat" with too much detail.....looks like it was carved from clay........

Just a newbie view.

mgoodm3

Something about the one in the date lining up with the denticles, i think.

ziggy29

I'm looking at the guide I have from the ANA course on detecting fakes. Barring other stuff that makes you have the coin (weight, specific gravity, et cetera), the diagnostics they show for this coin make it look like it could be genuine. The "3" looks right and the "1" goes straight down into a denticle. So check the weight and specific gravity, and examine the mint mark for signs it was added. The mint mark of a '93-S has a distinct style, but to me the mintmark looks too worn and flattened to authenticate confidently.

Also examine the "R" in LIBERTY, looking for two die chips at the base of the lower left leg of the letter. (If not, it could be an added mintmark piece since there was only one obverse die.) There are other diagnostics concerning die polish and such, but they aren't likely of use at this grade. Some of the diagnostics work best with mint state and choice AU coins, but hopefully this helps.

There's nothing in the picture that leads me to conclude positively that it's a fake. More tests and close examination are needed.

coinguy1

The easiest way to tell (though I cannot do so from the image) is to look for a raised die scratch which runs up diagonally (to the top of the T) from the top left side of the vertical portion of the T in LIBERTY. It is usually quite distinct, even on circulated examples.

Conder101

Here's a picture of the diagnostic that coinguy mentioned. It runs acros the center of the crossbar of the T



The "rabbit ear" die chips can be seen at the bottom of the left leg of the R.

coinbuf

Here is what Mark is refering to.

coinbuf

Condor you beat me to it
Chris

LincolnCentMan

I always throught the best diagnostic was the PCGS holder. I looked at mine after reading coinguy1's post. I'm in luck. Mine's real. Previous to this, my only diagnostic was the PCGS holder.

David

ss350camaro

WOW !! Thanks Guys ! That was the best pic of the diagnostics i have seen.

Anyone have any personal 1893-S Morgans that they could post pics of to show these details ?
I'd like to see some pics from varying states of condition if possible.


Thanks again

BAJJERFAN

biggest pic I got.

I can't imagine its THAT easy to doctor a circ coin like that.

SDCollector

The absolute last coin I would ever buy raw.