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World Series of Grading results


The World Series of Grading results are now posted on the PCGS home page. Congratulations to pro division winner, Jim Halperin, collector division winner, Bruce Morelan, and Young Numismatist winners, Keith Moon, Eric Hogan, and William Robins.

Check out the list of the 40 coins used in the pro and collector division. This was a very hard test and there were $800,000 worth of coins involved.

We'll do it again next year...it was a lot of fun!

David Hall

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  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    David
    Where can we find the complete results and coins used on the test?

    Mark
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eric Hogan was in my class at this years ANA summer seminar (Flying eagle and Indian cents) We passed around an uncertified 1873 Doubled LIBERTY.
    Everyone, including me, graded it MS65BN (or RB) except Eric, who called it MS64BN. After the seminar it was submitted and here is the result:

    image

    A very impressive Young Numismatist.

    (sorry the coin sold at the show)
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  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    Awesome,

    Were you able to hire any of the top graders? image

    David G.
  • Link to PCGS article page

    COIN PCGS Halperin Bonser Morelan
    1796 $2 1/2 No Stars AU58 AU58 AU58 AU55
    1900-S $5 MS68 MS68 MS68 MS66
    1913 $5 Counterfeit Counterfeit Counterfeit AU50
    1937-D 5C 3 Legs F15 F15 F15 F15
    1916-D 10C Counterfeit Counterfeit Counterfeit MS65FB
    1909-S VDB 1C VF30 VF35 VF30 XF40
    1937 1C MS66RD MS66RD MS67RD MS66RD
    1841 S$1 MS65 MS65 MS65 MS65
    1868 1C MS65RD MS66RD MS65RD MS66RD
    1939 10C PR66 PR67 PR66 PR67
    1923-D $20 MS66 MS66 MS66 MS66
    1809/8 $5 MS63 MS63 MS64 MS64
    Cincinnati Counterfeit Counterfeit Counterfeit MS65
    1902-O 25C QT QT QT QT
    1918-S 10C MS66FB MS66FB MS66FB MS66FB
    1899-S $20 MS64 MS64 MS63 MS64
    1797 50C Counterfeit Counterfeit XF40 Counterfeit
    1941 50C MS66 MS66 MS66 MS66
    1799 $10 MS64 MS64 MS64 MS66
    1881-O S$1 QT MS64 MS65 QT
    1875 T$1 PR65CA PR65CAM PR66CAM PR65CAM
    1966 1C SMS MS68RD MS68RD SMS MS68RD SMS MS68RD SMS
    1904 $20 MS65 MS65 MS65 MS65
    1923-S 50C MS65 MS65 MS65 MS66
    1932 $10 MS63 MS62 MS63 MS63
    1881-S S$1 MS66 MS66 MS63 MS66
    1924 $20 MS64 MS64 MS65 MS65
    1907 $20 High Relief MS66 MS65 MS66 MS65
    1795 $5 Small Eagle MS63 MS63 MS64 MS65
    1863 25C MS66 MS66 MS67 MS66
    1881 G$1 MS67 MS68 MS68 MS67
    1878 T$1 PR67CAM PR68DCAM PR67CAM PR68CAM
    1927 $20 MS65 MS65 MS65 MS66
    1805 $5 MS64 MS64 MS64 MS64
    1818 1C Damage Damage Damage MS63BN
    1801 S$1 Damage Damage Damage Damage
    1882 G$ PR65DCAM PR65DCAM PR67DCAM MS65
    1941-D 50C MS67 MS67 MS67 MS68
    1898-S $20 Eliasberg MS67 MS67 MS66 MS67
    1855 $3 Counterfeit Counterfeit Counterfeit Counterfeit
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Jim Halperin's results are just plain scary. image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    David - Thanks for hosting the games. I'm still smarting (stupiding?) over a couple of blunders, but it was still a fun contest.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    What does QT mean in the results?
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What does QT mean in the results? >>

    Questionable toning.
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Thanks
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Congrats to all the winners. Don Bonser was my instructor for Basic Grading a couple years ago and Eric Hogan was in my Advanced Grading class along with his father, got to see them again at the ANA.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Congrats to all. Keith Moon is my alltime favorite drummer and he won't be fooled again!
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm still smarting (stupiding?) over a couple of blunders, but it was still a fun contest. >>


    David! What Andy really means is; less counterfeits and more Franklin Mint medals! image


    And geez, next time go easy with the counterfeits.....I'm just a Darksider, you know. image

    Also, a hardy congrats to Bruce on the win and I hope to give it another try next year if PCGS is so disposed for another contest.

  • homerunhallhomerunhall Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭

    Doug...Thanks for posting all of the coins. I agree with Ziggy that Halperin's results are scary. The 1797 half and Cincinatti counterfeits were very good and you wouldn't look twice at them on the bourse floor. Halperin totally nailed this test! This was an extremely difficult test. I don't think I could have scored 70 if I would have taken it. The winners were truly winners and my hat is off to all of them.

    David
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    David - I think Jim Halperin and Bruce Morelan would suggest cracking out that 1868 IH for an upgrade image

    It would be very cool if we all could see good photos of the contest coins, especially the counterfeits. Would be a learning experience for all of us.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This event was truly one of the best ideas I have witnessed in years. I was happy to participate (even though I didn't make it to Pittsburgh) and I am thrilled that PCGS will be this next year. Hopefully, this will become a classic event in numismatics as the Masters or U.S. Open is in Golf... or just pick your sport.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    David, I'm with shylock. Photos and explanations would be great of at least the counterfeits and damaged coins.

    BTW, what was the damage on the 1818 large cent?
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats to all - great scores.

    If you've seen Halperin on the bourse, it's no surprise. The guy is intense!

    Dave - can I buy the 1868 IHC?? Is it the one in your ad??imageimage
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • Wow, they are pretty impressive at grading. Is the World Series of Grading open to everyone?
    Scott Hopkins
    -YN Currently Collecting & Researching Colonial World Coins, Especially Spanish Coins, With a Great Interest in WWII Militaria.

    My Ebay!
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The grading test results between PCGS, Halperin, Bonier, Morelan were extremely tight. You guys are my heros.image
  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭


    << <i> .....and Young Numismatist winners, Keith Moon..... >>




    Keith Moon, get outta here!
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BTW, what was the damage on the 1818 large cent?

    There was some pretty heavy corrosion on the reverse. I thought it was just barely gradeable (as a 62/63) but I was wrong.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    David! What Andy really means is; less counterfeits and more Franklin Mint medals!

    I do NOT collect Franklin Mint medals!!! Just their coins. image
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I thought it was just barely gradeable (as a 62/63) but I was wrong. >>

    ....same here!! oh well! image
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am NOT happy with my score - I feel I can do better. I knew as I started the test that I was in a giving mood and it showed. When I missed, I tended to miss high, whereas in the preliminary round when I missed it tended to be low. I can certainly see why grading sometimes can run hot and cold.

    PS - After having viewed a lot of the others, can I please buy that 1878 trade dollar as a PF67CAM? image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    can I please buy that 1878 trade dollar as a PF67CAM?

    TDN - Get in line, dude!

    I also graded the coin 68CAM, but I knew it was a mistake as soon as I walked away from the test. (It was one of two coins I knew I missed.) The coin is incredible looking and would easily bring 2-3 times 67 bid at auction, but the big smudge in the lower left obverse field was too severe for PCGS to grade the coin higher than seven. I think maybe some of us were standing on the wrong side of the street when we graded the coin.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the real world of coin grading, its not what YOU know, its what the grading team is looking for that day. ALL sharp graders know that.

    But your odds of success definitely increase if you know what you're doing.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I shouldn't talk, since I didn't take the test... but I think TDN should work on counterfeit detection more.

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com

  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    4 out of top 5 in profession group are from wild card finalists.
    2 out of top 5 in collector group are from wild card finalists.

    Does that tell you anything?
    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Some quick analysis

    1) 12.5% are counterfeits
    2) 22.5% are BodyBags (including counterfeits)
    3) 50% 20th century coins, 40% 19th century coins and 10% 18th century coins
    4) 12.5% coins are circulated (including 1797 fake 50c and 1801 tooled silver dollar)
    5) 45% gold coins, 40% silver coins, 12.5% copper coins and 2.5% nickel
    6) 32.5% under $1000, 27.5% between $1K and $10K, 22.5% between $10K and $100K and 5% over $100K (12.5% counterfeits have no value)

    From the data, I think PCGS did a good job to select coins except there are too many gold coins (45%) and 25% of the 40 coins are between 1890-1932.
    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does that tell you anything?

    That their strength was in classic, high end coins and counterfeit detection - more so than moderns? The mix of coins was certainly different.

    As a side note, was anyone else only given 45 minutes? I see in the writeup it was supposed to be an hour.
  • GeomanGeoman Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭
    What I would like to see now.... besides the list of coins posted on PCGS website, is a section that gives nice, close-up photos, and an explanation of why each grade was given. I think this would be great for all of us "other" people who do not know much about grading. How about it PCGS?
  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    > As a side note, was anyone else only given 45 minutes?

    They gave me exact 45 minutes.
    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    > As a side note, was anyone else only given 45 minutes?

    They gave me exact 45 minutes.
    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
  • homerunhallhomerunhall Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭

    MaCrimmon...The damage on the 1818 large cent was retooled hair...David

  • Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    David,

    Can we have a list of the coins the youngsters had to grade?? I'm kinda interested in it....

    Dennis
  • MacCoinMacCoin Posts: 2,544 ✭✭
    I'm just to darn dumb to grade coins that why pcgs is so importent to me
    image


    I hate it when you see my post before I can edit the spelling.

    Always looking for nice type coins

    my local dealer
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MaCrimmon...The damage on the 1818 large cent was retooled hair...

    Ouch!
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Young Numismatist Keith Moon? The deceased Who drummer participated as a YN?
  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Young Numismatist <STRONG>Keith Moon</STRONG>? The deceased Who drummer participated as a YN? >>



    He died long enough ago that he has come back as a YN, I guess he has some good karma from his last go-round!
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