Trime fraud on eBay

Oldnewbie

Same coin. I've made Aspen Park Rare Coins aware.
Ebay coin
Real Coin

ziggy29

Not to worry, because scumnuker is on the job!

Theop

And pop1eye has her other scam ($15K+) covered.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11958&item=3926586518

Russ

<< <i>And pop1eye has her other scam ($15K+) covered.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11958&item=3926586518 >>



Looks like he and scumnuker are duking it out on that one.

Russ, NCNE

ziggy29

<< <i>Looks like he and scumnuker are duking it out on that one. >>

Looks like scumnuker is a shill bidder on this one!

lordmarcovan

Scumnuker is my hero.

lathmach

<< <i>Scumnuker is my hero. >>



Mine too.

Ray

Oldnewbie

Is this place great or what?

susanlynn9

My husband and I just reported it to eBay. He's posting it on a bunch of other forums so more people can harass her. I emailed her for the serial number and, surprise - surprise, she hasn't gotten back to me yet. But I hope she's scared!

mgoodm3

Sweet, a bidding war!

Wolf359

I like it! Perhaps eBay will slap the scammer with fees galore.

susanlynn9

Actually, if someone were to win that coin and get the info for the money order and maybe contact the police so that they could be there waiting for them when they pick it up - that could be pretty cool. Their little scam is actually a federal offense since it's across state lines. Maybe a little jail time, hmmmmmm.....

ScarsdaleCoin

Wow trimes must really be getting hot if we are starting to see fraud at ebay!!!!! LOL good job....funny thing is I saw this auction the other day but said no way would I buy a $2k coin from a (0) ebayer....

Here is an interesting thought.....is it really illegal to offer a coin that another dealer owns at a higher price...figuring that you can buy it if you sell it? just food for thought

susanlynn9

It's allowed if you state that it's a pre-sell and you have to ship within 30 days of payment. However, I don't think that this seller has any kind of shipping planned. Do you?

Bikingnut

Here is an interesting thought.....is it really illegal to offer a coin that another dealer owns at a higher price...figuring that you can buy it if you sell it? just food for thought

That would be like me putting your car up for sale without your knowledge.

ScarsdaleCoin

bikingnut not really...if a dealer has a coin in his case for sale at $100.....you see it and you go over to another isle at a coin show and say to a dealer do you want this coin for $110...the dealer says yes so you go over to the 1st dealer buy it for $100 and deliver it to the second for $110....different from my car which I did not advertise for sale....now I know this is hard on specific rare coins but I bet many ebays might be playing this game with common dates that they know they can pick up and "fill" the sale...just a thought

catfish172

<< <i>Same coin. I've made Aspen Park Rare Coins aware.
Ebay coin
Real Coin >>



I'm confused, Aspen park pulled theirs, which was the fraud?

Edited to add..... Now they're both gone, is that not too cool!

Edited again to add.... All 3 referenced links are gone!!!! Wow!!!! Poor scumnuker is never going to get a completed sale and get any feedback.

ScarsdaleCoin

ebay was fraud.....
all vanished in a puff of smoke....glad ebay finally pulled an auction....bout time they stopped these frauds...

but the coin was sold by ASPEN at the ANA show....see these things can get very complicated...this whole thing started because a person saw it on Aspen web site and ebay...of course Aspen could not remove it since he was away at ANA....it might have been legit.....see sometimes we think too far ahead of ourselves..

Oldnewbie

<< <i>ebay was fraud.....
all vanished in a puff of smoke....glad ebay finally pulled an auction....bout time they stopped these frauds...

but the coin was sold by ASPEN at the ANA show....see these things can get very complicated...this whole thing started because a person saw it on Aspen web site and ebay...of course Aspen could not remove it since he was away at ANA....it might have been legit.....see sometimes we think too far ahead of ourselves.. >>



Before I posted this I spoke to Aspen Park Rare Coins. I was 100% sure this wasn't legit.

susanlynn9

If anyone is interested, the seller of the fraudulent coin is no longer a registered user with eBay. She had opened her account the day she listed the two fraud coins and now she has been booted off eBay completely.

sliderider

Hmmm.. the listings no longer exist on either ebay or aspen park.

sliderider

Bikingnut,

It's done all the time. I used to work for a baseball card and comic book store and that's how we filled our customers want lists. We called around our contacts to see who had what and for how much, or went to shows and bought from the lowest seller and sold to the highest buyer. Nothing illegal about it. Whether it's IMMORAL to sell something that is not actually in your posession, is another question, but it is legal as long as you make good on your promise to deliver the goods at the agreed upon price.

susanlynn9

<< <i>Hmmm.. the listings no longer exist on either ebay or aspen park. >>


Neither does the eBay seller.

sliderider

Well, I'm very glad to see one more fraudulent seller dealt with. Way too many in this hobby already. I only hope a criminal prosecution is in the works someplace.

catfish172

<< <i>If anyone is interested, the seller of the fraudulent coin is no longer a registered user with eBay. She had opened her account the day she listed the two fraud coins and now she has been booted off eBay completely. >>



Well, now that deserves a fully qualified "Snoopy Dance"

susanlynn9

<< <i>Well, I'm very glad to see one more fraudulent seller dealt with. Way too many in this hobby already. I only hope a criminal prosecution is in the works someplace. >>


Since no money changed hands, I don't believe there is a prosecutable offense. And she could just start another ID and try again with something else. Hopefully, getting caught right away will discourage her from trying it again.

Oldnewbie

Can somebody tell me if this is the same coin or not? I didn't save a pic but it looks a bunch like the first coin.

Edit: Link pulled until I can do more research.

Bikingnut

We called around our contacts to see who had what and for how much, or went to shows and bought from the lowest seller and sold to the highest buyer.

The key here is you called around or bought from the lowest seller. I doubt any of that happened in these auctions.

Oldnewbie

Something else good came from all this. I've met Evan of Aspen Park Rare Coins. He's a very friendly dealer and I'll be doing some business with him.