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Stupid Newbie question

sorry to bother you all here... I read this forum the most and you all seem to be either full of it or know what you are talking about....

anyway... im brand new to grading... no clue at all.... I wanted to start by sending in some proof sets(1999-on) that I have (for my kids 2 and 6 mo) ... and was wondering how this works...
the submission form says I need to put them in plastic flips...?
1) where do I get them?
2) what kind?
3) can I send in the entire proof set without cracking the case?...woudl they send it back?

4) should I send in my proofs or leave them in their case?
5) should i send in my silver proofs or just proofs?
6) should I send in the small coins (pennies, nickels etc)?

any help would be appreciated... also any hints on picking the right proof set to crack open (if I need to crack it)... how do you get the 70's other then luck?

thanks in advance.... sorry for being a little lame here

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    you all seem to be either full of it or know what you are talking about....
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    What is your main reason for wanting the proofs graded?? My understanding is that if you send in the whole proof set, they will grade all of the coins contained in it. Many people use kointain safeflips for submissions. 70's are a crapshoot, and don't come around very often- kind of like winning big money in the lottery......
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  • << <i>how do you get the 70's other then luck? >>



    About the only way to tell the difference is using a microscope. You can`t see the difference with the naked eye.

    As for sending it off to be graded, I can`t offer any help. Someone more experienced will have to answer those.

    Oh yeah, welcome to the forums.
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Welcome. I'll leave the submission question to the experts (not me). As for flips. Most coin supply places sell them. You can buy them in most any quantity you want at Chuck D'AMbra. just make sure you don't get vinyl ones. PCGS says to use 2.5 X 2.5's.
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  • mrpaseomrpaseo Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭
    Please ask as many questions as you would like, however, if you would, since you have so many questions, number them so we can answer each question instead of trying to cram them all into one response.

    Thanks,
    Ray

    PS. Welcome
  • LBGrobLBGrob Posts: 58 ✭✭
    Main reason to send them in is to get them graded for the kids.... I have a few sets for them.. i was thinking of having one set graded and then a couple others just in the cases.

    but I also have a small collection and I might get some graded...and sell them off so that I can buy some better older coins.... it seems right now people are going crazy over new coins ... so if I can sell some to improve my collection without my wife kicking me out of the house.

  • It seems to me that modern proofs are going for very little money on eBay. I say this because I just sold a modern quarter and nickel in PCGS PR 69 DCAM for about $11 each including shipping! I was thinking I was losing a bit of money on each coin but I would make up for it with volume! But I'm getting off track here...

    It is expensive to send coins in for grading. You need to pay for shipping both ways as well as for grading fees. You also had to buy the sets in the first place. As an admitted newbie in grading you might not even get PR 69 DCAMs for all of them. In your case I'd keep the best sets you have, sell any duplicates and, for the slabbed coins you desire, buy ones already slabbed.

    By the way, it is no bother at all and welcome to the forums!
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Welcome to the boards, LBGrob! The "LB" doesn't stand for "Loved By", does it? (sorry, that's an inside joke for older members here)

    Don't take this the wrong way, but do not send those coins in for grading. You will be throwing money away. The chances of getting a PR70 grade to make it worth the fees are very slim. As Carl said, a PR69DCAM sells for less than the cost of grading and shipping.

    Buy the coins already slabbed. It will be cheaper!

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • wam98wam98 Posts: 2,685
    image Personally, I like my Proof Sets in the original mint packaging. If your shootin for Top Pops or a Registry Set, they would have to be graded. If I were going to send in any of my proofs, I would take a long hard look at them before cracking them out. Making sure I had a flawless coin and then hoping for the best. From what I've seen of some of the modern proofs that are in the registry, they are extremely nice coins. It would be hard to compare or compete with most of them. Just my opinion. image
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  • << <i>Stupid Newbie question >>

    There is no such thing as a stupid question... just stupid answers image Welcome to the forums. I don't know the answers to your questions... but good luck image
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  • LBGrobLBGrob Posts: 58 ✭✭
    OK thanks for the feedback. I was looking at the registry thing... If I did that for the kids I would only send the quarters. We will see... I guess im just excited about getting something slabbed image

    the LB stands for Long Beach... the name is rob... nickname for some reason in high school was Grobbler...??? so there u go...

    I have a ton of the new nickels in rolls from the fed... and several sets of the expensive nickel sets from the Mint... maybe I will wait a bit and sell them off instead of breaking out the sets (to improve my collection with out getting kicked out of the house). I bought them initially to give to my cousins and family as gifts (nobody knows about the new nickels)... but I see them selling for a ton on ebay so maybe I will try that?

    Has anyone ever bought the "unsearched" lots on ebay?
    If so....anyone there you trust?
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    "Has anyone ever bought the "unsearched" lots on ebay?
    If so....anyone there you trust? "

    No. No.
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  • VeepVeep Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭✭
    Consider that everything has been searched...over and over and over and...
    "Let me tell ya Bud, you can buy junk anytime!"
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  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome aboard Rob.image
    1999 - 2004 proof sets don't have to be cracked....you can pry them apart at the seam on the edge of the case.
    Be sure to submit them in mylar 3x3 flips or the coins could haze while being sonically sealed by the TPGS.
    If given a choice I would submit the silver proof sets before the clad proof sets. I would certify the quarters before any of the other coins. jmo
  • LBGrobLBGrob Posts: 58 ✭✭
    --Be sure to submit them in mylar 3x3 flips or the coins could haze while being sonically sealed by the TPGS--

    what do you mean by this? the coin gets removed from the flip before being sealed right? (dont laugh..remember im new image )
    i just bought some 21/2 x 21/2 from Chucks place.... they are vinyl (which I know are not good...but should only be for a short period of time right?)


  • LB, welcome aboard. image

    Since you live so close to Long Beach, you should consider visiting the Long Beach Coin Show coming up. It's from September 9-11 (Thursday through Saturday, 10:00 AM - 6:30 PM) at the Long Beach Convention Center. PCGS will be there to take submissions and to answer any questions you may have about submitting. You have to be a member to directly submit, so they will guide you to the appropriate membership and submission options.

    I have no opinions either way as to what you should or should not submit. Personally I would rather keep my proof sets in the original holders, but if I ever decided I wanted to submit a proof set for grading I'd go with all 9-10 coins in the set.

    Oh, and the Long Beach show is rather large, but a great way to get to know the hobby. It's also takes place three times a year so if you miss this one, you'll have another opportunity around early February of next year. Good luck.

    Enjoy.

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  • If you are only interested in slabbed quarters definately buy them that way. The proof singles are not worth as much when they are broken out of the sets.

    The Long Beach show is a must! It is coming up soon. It is one of the biggest. If you decide to ignore my advice and submit coins to PCGS you can do so at the show and save one way of shipping.
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rob... The coins are removed from the flips for sealing into the slab, but polyvinil flips can leave a residue on the surface of the coin which can cause hazing during the sealing process. Even if the coin has only been in the flip for a short period of time. The main problem has been with proof coins, so be careful to use only mylar flips. I would not even use the poly-bags...just insert the coin into the mylar flip raw.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,378 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"Has anyone ever bought the "unsearched" lots on ebay?
    If so....anyone there you trust? " >>



    Something to think about on this...."unsearched" can also be a way of saying "I am selling crud/junk/garbage and corroded coins in this batch and if I sell it as unsearched, you shouldn't blame me when you get pure crap".

    Had that happen to me once....from a respected board member who was selling for a friend he said.
    It was on ebay...it wasn't a high ticket item (though, shipping was more than the rolls of cents were worth) and I didn't both doing anything since (1) I was new and learning (2) he seems well enough respected here on the boards I couldn't imagine him doing that on purpose, and (3) it would have cost more to ship them back than the refund would have been.

    So, be careful on the "unsearched" lots as, unless they are slightly salted with a good coin or two, it is unlikely you will really score (maybe if you were coppercoins and going after varieties, etc, that are not well known you would have a chance). And, while unlikely to score, you are close to break even on the odds of getting "normal" items or real junk coins.

    Welcome aboard to the board image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    "can I send in the entire proof set without cracking the case?"

    Yes, but you will have to submit all the coins in the set.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson

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