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How does a BGS 9 become a BGS 10 Pristine?

Well I haven't been tracking the 1998 SP authentic Vince Carter rookie as I use to (keeping track of the grades of all cards auctioned). Since there are 3500 of them (pretty high numbers by today's standards) many of them have been regraded over and over.

Well I was suprised to see that the first BGS 10 Pristine had been graded. The seller didn't get a bite at $4,495.95 but if this card was around during Vince's boom he probably could have easily cracked $15K...PSA 10's were selling for $3,000!.

Anyways I checked up on my own pop report of the grades and this card turned out to be a BGS 9.....wonder what work was done on it to make it jump to Pristine.......

worldwideinvestments sure has a ton of BGS 9.5's and PSA 10's........

Carter BGS 10 Auction Link

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    schr1stschr1st Posts: 1,677 ✭✭
    Do you remember the subgrades on it when it was a BGS 9?
    Who is Rober Maris?
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    No....I just record the grade and the serial number out of 3500 on the card.
    CB4
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    probably trimmed to perfection
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    schr1stschr1st Posts: 1,677 ✭✭
    No doubt, but I have heard that BGS is getting a bit more loose on their grading. More 9's than 8.5's.
    Who is Rober Maris?
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    Ic ould just be one of those fluke things where it was resubmitted and got a higher grade. This happens alot in coins. A coin might be graded MS-65 the buyer gambles that it will regrade a MS-66 and they make some nice quick $$.
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    Honestly...it's not a BGS thing......or a fluke. It's not even a PSA thing (my list had a few PSA 8's becoming PSA 10's). I followed the grades of the Carter SP authentic to show how larger dealers were buying lower graded cards and flipping them to higher grades. That's what happened with this example.
    CB4
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    one of two things happened here

    1. the card was trimmed, meaning Beckett grades trimmed cards. everyone knows they do, so this is probably the reason
    2. the card wasn't trimmed, meaning their graders are so bad they can't tell the difference between a Mint condition card and a Pristine condition card

    whichever it is, it proves the BGS sucks
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    jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    I don't know about BGS, I suspect goodriddance is correct, but in order for a PSA 8 to become a PSA 10 one of two things must have happened.

    The card was trimmed and that fact escaped the grader's notice. PSA is supposedly grading harsher these days, but it's not far-fetched to imagine a trimmed card was submitted with a stack of legitimate 10's and slipped through.

    The card was not trimmed, but still arrived at PSA with a large submission of real 10's. It's not far-fetched to imagine a grader with a stack of modern cards in front of him and giving less than intense scrutiny to every single one. There may be an assumption, after grading 47 Gem Mints in a row from that stack, that the rest are the same and only a cursory inspection is given.

    I'm sure PSA would insist these things do not happen, but it certainly seems possible. I wonder what they would say when confronted with the evidence of a serial # card being graded first 8 and then 10. Vincecarder, can you display your proof as you did with the BGS card?
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    Here is my 1998 SP authentic Vince Carter /3500 list. I stop updating it for quite awhile but that card did show up in the file.

    0001 UNG
    0002
    0003
    0004
    0005
    0006
    0007
    0008
    0009 PSA 9
    0010
    0011
    0012
    0013 UNG
    0014
    0015 PSA 9, *PSA 10
    0016
    0017
    0018
    0019 SGC 96
    0020
    0021
    0022
    0023
    0024
    0025
    0026
    0027
    0028 PSA 10
    0029
    0030
    0031
    0032 BGS 9/PSA 10
    0033
    0034
    0035
    0036
    0037
    0038
    0039 BGS 9.5
    0040
    0041
    0042
    0043
    0044
    0045
    0046
    0047
    0048
    0049
    0050
    0051 BGS 9
    0052
    0053 PSA 10
    0054
    0055
    0056
    0057
    0058
    0059
    0060
    0061
    0062
    0063
    0064
    0065
    0066
    0067
    0068
    0069
    0070
    0071
    0072
    0073
    0074
    0075
    0076
    0077
    0078 UNG
    0079
    0080
    0081
    0082
    0083
    0084
    0085
    0086
    0087
    0088
    0089
    0090
    0091
    0092
    0093
    0094
    0095
    0096 PSA 10
    0097
    0098
    0099
    0100
    0101
    0102
    0103
    0104
    0105
    0106 PSA 9 HN
    0107
    0108
    0109 UNG
    0110
    0111
    0112 PSA 10
    0113
    0114
    0115
    0116
    0117
    0118 BGS 9.5
    0119
    0120
    0121 PSA 10
    0122
    0123
    0124
    0125
    0126
    0127
    0128
    0129
    0130
    0131
    0132
    0133
    0134
    0135 PSA 10
    0136 PSA 9
    0137
    0138
    0139
    0140
    0141
    0142
    0143
    0144
    0145
    0146
    0147
    0148
    0149
    0150
    0151
    0152
    0153
    0154
    0155
    0156
    0157
    0158
    0159
    0160
    0161
    0162
    0163
    0164
    0165
    0166
    0167
    0168 BGS 9
    0169
    0170
    0171 PSA 9
    0172
    0173
    0174
    0175
    0176 BGS 9.5
    0177
    0178
    0179
    0180
    0181
    0182 BGS 8.5
    0183
    0184
    0185 PSA 9/ PSA 10
    0186
    0187
    0188
    0189
    0190
    0191
    0192
    0193
    0194
    0195
    0196
    0197
    0198
    0199
    0200 PSA 10
    0201 PSA 9/PSA 10
    0202
    0203
    0204
    0205
    0206
    0207
    0208
    0209
    0210
    0211
    0212
    0213
    0214
    0215
    0216
    0217
    0218
    0219
    0220
    0221 BGS 8.5
    0222
    0223 UNG
    0224
    0225
    0226
    0227
    0228
    0229
    0230
    0231
    0232
    0233
    0234 PSA 10
    0235
    0236
    0237
    0238
    0239
    0240
    0241
    0242
    0243
    0244
    0245
    0246
    0247
    0248
    0249
    0250
    0251 PSA 10
    0252
    0253
    0254
    0255
    0256 PSA 9/ PSA 10
    0257
    0258
    0259
    0260
    0261
    0262
    0263
    0264
    0265
    0266
    0267
    0268
    0269
    0270
    0271
    0272
    0273 BGS 7
    0274
    0275 PSA 9
    0276
    0277
    0278
    0279 PSA 9/ BGS 9.5
    0280
    0281 BGS 9.5
    0282
    0283
    0284
    0285
    0286
    0287
    0288
    0289
    0290
    0291
    0292
    0293
    0294
    0295
    0296
    0297
    0298
    0299
    0300
    0301
    0302 BGS 9.5
    0303
    0304
    0305
    0306
    0307
    0308
    0309
    0310
    0311
    0312
    0313
    0314
    0315
    0316
    0317
    0318
    0319
    0320
    0321
    0322
    0323
    0324
    0325
    0326
    0327
    0328 PSA 10
    0329 BGS 9
    0330
    0331
    0332
    0333
    0334
    0335
    0336
    0337
    0338
    0339
    0340
    0341
    0342
    0343
    0344
    0345
    0346
    0347
    0348
    0349
    0350
    0351
    0352
    0353
    0354
    0355
    0356
    0357
    0358
    0359
    0360
    0361
    0362
    0363
    0364
    0365
    0366
    0367
    0368
    0369
    0370 BGS 9
    0371
    0372
    0373 PSA 10
    0374
    0375
    0376
    0377
    0378
    0379
    0380
    0381
    0382
    0383
    0384
    0385
    0386
    0387
    0388
    0389
    0390
    0391
    0392
    0393
    0394
    0395
    0396 BGS 9
    0397
    0398
    0399
    0400
    0401
    0402
    0403 PSA 9/ PSA 10
    0404
    0405
    0406 UNG
    0407
    0408
    0409
    0410
    0411
    0412
    0413
    0414
    0415
    0416
    0417
    0418
    0419
    0420
    0421
    0422 BGS 9
    0423
    0424
    0425
    0426 PSA 9
    0427
    0428
    0429
    0430 PSA 8
    0431 PSA 9
    0432
    0433
    0434
    0435
    0436
    0437
    0438
    0439 UNG
    0440
    0441
    0442
    0443 CE 10
    0444
    0445
    0446
    0447 PSA 10
    0448
    0449
    0450
    0451
    0452
    0453
    0454
    0455
    0456
    0457
    0458
    0459
    0460
    0461
    0462 PSA 10
    0463
    0464
    0465
    0466
    0467
    0468
    0469
    0470
    0471
    0472
    0473
    0474
    0475
    0476
    0477
    0478
    0479
    0480 BGS 9
    0481
    0482
    0483
    0484
    0485
    0486 UNG
    0487
    0488
    0489
    0490
    0491
    0492
    0493
    0494
    0495
    0496
    0497
    0498
    0499
    0500
    0501 BGS 9.5
    0502
    0503
    0504
    0505
    0506
    0507 PSA 8
    0508 BGS 9.5
    0509
    0510
    0511
    0512
    0513
    0514
    0515
    0516
    0517
    0518
    0519 PSA 9
    0520
    0521
    0522 PSA 10
    0523
    0524
    0525
    0526
    0527
    0528
    0529
    0530
    0531
    0532
    0533
    0534
    0535 UNG
    0536
    0537
    0538
    0539
    0540
    0541
    0542
    0543
    0544
    0545
    0546
    0547
    0548 BGS 9.5
    0549
    0550
    0551
    0552
    0553
    0554
    0555
    0556
    0557
    0558
    0559
    0560
    0561
    0562
    0563 PSA 10
    0564
    0565
    0566
    0567
    0568
    0569 UNG / BGS 9.5
    0570 UNG
    0571
    0572
    0573
    0574 PSA 8 / UNG
    0575
    0576
    0577 PSA 9/ BGS 9.5
    0578
    0579
    0580
    0581
    0582
    0583
    0584
    0585
    0586
    0587
    0588
    0589
    0590
    0591
    0592
    0593
    0594
    0595
    0596
    0597
    0598
    0599
    0600
    0601
    0602
    0603
    0604
    0605
    0606
    0607
    0608
    0609
    0610
    0611
    0612
    0613
    0614
    0615
    0616
    0617
    0618
    0619
    0620
    0621
    0622
    0623
    0624
    0625
    0626
    0627 BGS 9, *BGS 9.5
    0628
    0629 BGS 9
    0630
    0631
    0632
    0633 PSA 10
    0634
    0635
    0636
    0637
    0638
    0639
    0640 PSA 10
    0641
    0642
    0643
    0644
    0645 PSA 10(*)
    0646
    0647
    0648
    0649
    0650 PSA 10
    0651
    0652
    0653 UNG
    0654
    0655
    0656
    0657
    0658
    0659
    0660
    0661
    0662
    0663
    0664
    0665
    0666
    0667
    0668
    0669
    0670
    0671
    0672
    0673
    0674
    0675
    0676
    0677
    0678
    0679
    0680
    0681
    0682
    0683
    0684
    0685 UNG
    0686
    0687
    0688
    0689
    0690
    0691 BGS 9.5
    0692
    0693
    0694
    0695
    0696
    0697
    0698
    0699 PSA 10
    0700
    0701
    0702
    0703
    0704
    0705
    0706
    0707
    0708 PSA 9
    0709
    0710
    0711
    0712
    0713
    0714
    0715
    0716 BGS 9
    0717
    0718
    0719
    0720
    0721
    0722
    0723
    0724
    0725
    0726
    0727
    0728
    0729
    0730 PSA 9
    0731
    0732
    0733
    0734
    0735
    0736 PSA 10
    0737
    0738
    0739 PSA 10
    0740
    0741
    0742
    0743
    0744 PSA 10
    0745 PSA 10
    0746
    0747
    0748
    0749
    0750
    0751
    0752
    0753
    0754
    0755
    0756
    0757
    0758 UNG
    0759
    0760
    0761
    0762 PSA 10
    0763
    0764
    0765
    0766 PSA 10
    0767
    0768
    0769
    0770
    0771 GAI 9
    0772
    0773
    0774
    0775
    0776
    0777
    0778
    0779
    0780 PSA 10
    0781
    0782
    0783 PSA 9 PSA 10
    0784
    0785
    0786
    0787
    0788
    0789
    0790
    0791
    0792
    0793
    0794
    0795 GAI 10
    0796
    0797
    0798
    0799
    0800
    0801
    0802
    0803
    0804 PSA 10
    0805
    0806
    0807
    0808
    0809
    0810
    0811
    0812
    0813
    0814
    0815
    0816
    0817 PSA 10
    0818 PSA 10
    0819
    0820
    0821
    0822
    0823
    0824 PSA 10
    0825
    0826
    0827
    0828
    0829
    0830
    0831
    0832
    0833
    0834
    0835 BGS 9/BGS 9.5
    0836 PSA 10
    0837
    0838
    0839 PSA 9
    0840
    0841
    0842
    0843
    0844
    0845
    0846
    0847
    0848
    0849
    0850
    0851
    0852
    0853
    0854
    0855
    0856
    0857
    0858
    0859
    0860
    0861
    0862
    0863
    0864
    0865
    0866 PSA 8/UNG
    0867
    0868
    0869
    0870
    0871
    0872
    0873 PSA 9
    0874
    0875
    0876 PSA 10
    0877
    0878
    0879
    0880
    0881
    0882
    0883
    0884
    0885
    0886
    0887
    0888
    0889
    0890 PSA 10
    0891 PSA 10
    0892
    0893
    0894
    0895
    0896
    0897 PSA 9
    0898
    0899
    0900 BGS 9.5
    0901
    0902
    0903
    0904
    0905
    0906
    0907
    0908
    0909
    0910
    0911
    0912
    0913
    0914
    0915
    0916
    0917
    0918
    0919 UNG
    0920
    0921
    0922
    0923
    0924
    0925
    0926
    0927
    0928 PSA 9
    0929
    0930
    0931
    0932
    0933 PSA 9
    0934
    0935
    0936
    0937
    0938
    0939
    0940
    0941
    0942
    0943
    0944
    0945
    0946
    0947
    0948
    0949
    0950
    0951
    0952 UNG
    0953
    0954
    0955
    0956
    0957
    0958
    0959
    0960
    0961
    0962
    0963
    0964
    0965
    0966
    0967
    0968
    0969
    0970
    0971
    0972
    0973
    0974
    0975
    0976 PSA 9
    0977
    0978
    0979 PSA 9
    0980
    0981
    0982
    0983
    0984
    0985 PSA 10
    0986
    0987
    0988
    0989
    0990
    0991
    0992
    0993
    0994
    0995
    0996 PSA 10
    0997
    0998
    0999
    1000
    1001
    1002
    1003
    1004
    1005
    1006
    1007
    1008 BGS 9
    1009
    1010 PSA 10
    1011 PSA 9
    1012
    1013 PSA 10
    1014
    1015
    1016
    1017
    1018
    1019
    1020
    1021
    1022
    1023 BGS 9.5
    1024
    1025
    1026
    1027
    1028
    1029
    1030
    1031
    1032
    1033
    1034
    1035 PRO 10
    1036
    1037
    1038
    1039
    1040
    1041
    1042
    1043
    1044
    1045
    1046
    1047
    1048
    1049
    1050
    1051 PSA 10
    1052
    1053
    1054 UNG
    1055
    1056 PSA 10
    1057
    1058
    1059
    1060
    1061
    1062 BGS 9.5
    1063 PSA 9
    1064
    1065
    1066
    1067
    1068
    1069
    1070
    1071
    1072 PSA 9/PSA 10
    1073
    1074
    1075
    1076
    1077
    1078
    1079
    1080 PSA 10
    1081
    1082
    1083
    1084 PSA 9
    1085
    1086
    1087
    1088
    1089 PSA 9, *BGS 9.5
    1090
    1091
    1092
    1093
    1094
    1095
    1096 PSA 10
    1097
    1098
    1099
    1100 BGS 9.5
    1101
    1102
    1103
    1104 PSA 10
    1105
    1106
    1107
    1108
    1109
    1110
    1111 PSA 10
    1112
    1113
    1114 BGS 8.5
    1115
    1116 BGS 9.5
    1117 PSA 9
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    1119
    1120
    1121
    1122
    1123
    1124
    1125
    1126
    1127
    1128
    1129
    1130
    1131
    1132
    1133
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    1135
    1136
    1137
    1138
    1139
    1140
    1141
    1142 UNG
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    1149
    1150
    1151
    1152 BGS 9,SGC 96UN
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    1158
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    1160
    1161
    1162 PSA 10
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    1167 UNG
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    1175
    1176
    1177 UNG
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    1179
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    1190
    1191 PSA 9
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    1200
    1201
    1202
    1203
    1204
    1205
    1206 PSA 10
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    1216 BGS 9.5
    1217 PSA 9
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    1219
    1220 CE 9.7
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    1222
    1223
    1224
    1225 BGS 9
    1226
    1227 PSA 10
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    1229
    1230
    1231
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    1233
    1234
    1235 PSA 10
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    1237
    1238
    1239
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    1244 PSA 9
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    1287 PSA 9
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    1292 PSA 10
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    1297 PSA 10
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    1300
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    1303 BGS 9
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    1332
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    1338 BGS 9.5
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    1368
    1369
    1370
    1371
    1372
    1373
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    1375
    1376
    1377
    1378
    1379
    1380
    1381
    1382
    1383
    1384
    1385
    1386
    1387
    1388
    1389 PSA 10
    1390
    1391
    1392
    1393
    1394
    1395 BGS 8/ PSA 10
    1396
    1397
    1398
    1399 BGS 9.5
    1400
    1401
    1402
    1403 BGS 9/PSA 10
    1404
    1405
    1406 PSA 10
    1407
    1408
    1409
    1410
    1411
    1412
    1413
    1414
    1415
    1416
    1417
    1418
    1419
    1420 BGS 9.5
    1421
    1422
    1423
    1424 PSA 9
    1425
    1426
    1427
    1428
    1429 UNG/BGS 9.5
    1430
    1431
    1432
    1433 PSA 10
    1434
    1435
    1436
    1437
    1438
    1439
    1440
    1441
    1442
    1443
    1444
    1445
    1446
    1447
    1448
    1449
    1450
    1451
    1452
    1453 BGS 9.5
    1454 PSA 10
    1455
    1456
    1457
    1458
    1459
    1460
    1461
    1462
    1463
    1464
    1465
    1466
    1467
    1468
    1469
    1470
    1471
    1472
    1473
    1474
    1475
    1476
    1477
    1478
    1479 PSA 10
    1480
    1481
    1482
    1483
    1484 BGS 9.5
    1485
    1486
    1487
    1488
    1489
    1490
    1491
    1492
    1493
    1494
    1495
    1496
    1497
    1498
    1499
    1500
    1501
    1502
    1503 BGS 9.5
    1504
    1505
    1506
    1507
    1508
    1509
    1510
    1511
    1512 PSA 10
    1513 PSA 10
    1514
    1515
    1516
    1517
    1518
    1519
    1520
    1521
    1522
    1523
    1524
    1525
    1526
    1527
    1528
    1529 BGS 9.5
    1530
    1531 SGC 96
    1532
    1533 PSA 10
    1534
    1535
    1536
    1537
    1538
    1539
    1540 PSA 9
    1541
    1542 BGS 8.5
    1543 PSA 10
    1544
    1545 PSA 9
    1546 BGS 9.5
    1547
    1548
    1549 PSA 9
    1550
    1551
    1552
    1553 SGC 96,UNG
    1554
    1555
    1556
    1557
    1558
    1559
    1560 PSA 8/UNG
    1561
    1562
    1563
    1564
    1565
    1566
    1567
    1568
    1569
    1570
    1571
    1572
    1573
    1574
    1575
    1576 PSA 10
    1577
    1578
    1579 PSA 10
    1580
    1581 CTA 10
    1582
    1583 BGS 9.5
    1584
    1585 SGC 92
    1586
    1587
    1588
    1589 UNG/BGS 8.5
    1590
    1591 BGS 8.5
    1592
    1593
    1594
    1595
    1596
    1597
    1598
    1599
    1600
    1601
    1602
    1603
    1604 PSA 9
    1605
    1606
    1607
    1608 PSA 10
    1609
    1610
    1611
    1612
    1613
    1614
    1615
    1616
    1617
    1618
    1619
    1620
    1621
    1622
    1623
    1624 PSA 9
    1625
    1626
    1627
    1628 BGS 9.5
    1629
    1630
    1631
    1632 BGS 9 HN
    1633
    1634
    1635
    1636 PSA 10
    1637
    1638
    1639
    1640
    1641
    1642
    1643
    1644 PSA 9
    1645 PSA 9
    1646 PSA 10
    1647
    1648
    1649
    1650
    1651
    1652
    1653 UNG
    1654
    1655
    1656
    1657
    1658
    1659
    1660
    1661
    1662
    1663
    1664
    1665
    1666
    1667
    1668 PSA 10
    1669
    1670
    1671
    1672
    1673
    1674
    1675
    1676
    1677
    1678
    1679
    1680
    1681
    1682
    1683
    1684 PSA 9
    1685
    1686
    1687
    1688
    1689
    1690
    1691
    1692
    1693
    1694
    1695
    1696
    1697
    1698
    1699
    1700
    1701
    1702
    1703 UNG
    1704
    1705
    1706
    1707
    1708
    1709
    1710
    1711
    1712
    1713
    1714 BGS 9.5
    1715
    1716
    1717 PSA 8 PSA 10
    1718 BGS 8.5/ BGS 9
    1719 UNG
    1720
    1721
    1722
    1723 PSA 10
    1724
    1725
    1726
    1727
    1728
    1729
    1730
    1731
    1732
    1733
    1734
    1735
    1736
    1737
    1738
    1739
    1740
    1741
    1742
    1743
    1744
    1745
    1746
    1747
    1748
    1749
    1750
    1751 PSA 10
    1752
    1753
    1754
    1755
    1756
    1757
    1758
    1759
    1760
    1761
    1762
    1763
    1764
    1765
    1766
    1767
    1768 CE 9.7
    1769
    1770
    1771
    1772
    1773
    1774 PSA 9
    1775
    1776
    1777
    1778 BGS 9.5
    1779
    1780
    1781
    1782
    1783
    1784
    1785
    1786
    1787
    1788
    1789
    1790
    1791
    1792
    1793
    1794
    1795
    1796 PSA 10
    1797
    1798
    1799
    1800
    1801 UNG
    1802
    1803
    1804 BGS 8.5
    1805
    1806
    1807
    1808
    1809
    1810
    1811
    1812
    1813
    1814
    1815
    1816
    1817
    1818 BGS 9.5
    1819
    1820
    1821 PSA 9
    1822
    1823
    1824
    1825
    1826
    1827
    1828
    1829
    1830 BGS 9.5 HN
    1831
    1832
    1833
    1834
    1835
    1836
    1837
    1838
    1839
    1840
    1841
    1842
    1843
    1844
    1845
    1846
    1847
    1848
    1849
    1850
    1851
    1852
    1853
    1854
    1855
    1856
    1857
    1858
    1859
    1860
    1861
    1862
    1863
    1864 PSA 9
    1865
    1866 BGS 9.5
    1867
    1868
    1869
    1870
    1871
    1872
    1873
    1874
    1875
    1876
    1877
    1878
    1879
    1880
    1881
    1882
    1883
    1884
    1885
    1886
    1887
    1888 - KSA 10
    1889
    1890
    1891
    1892
    1893
    1894
    1895
    1896
    1897
    1898
    1899
    1900
    1901
    1902
    1903
    1904 BGS 9.5
    1905
    1906
    1907
    1908
    1909 BGS 9
    1910
    1911
    1912
    1913
    1914
    1915
    1916
    1917 UNG
    1918
    1919 UNG
    1920
    1921 PSA 9
    1922
    1923
    1924
    1925
    1926
    1927
    1928
    1929
    1930
    1931
    1932 BGS 9
    1933
    1934
    1935
    1936
    1937
    1938
    1939 PSA 10 (9)
    1940
    1941 PSA 9
    1942 PSA 9
    1943
    1944
    1945
    1946
    1947
    1948
    1949
    1950 PSA 10
    1951
    1952
    1953
    1954 UNG
    1955
    1956
    1957
    1958
    1959
    1960 PSA 10
    1961
    1962
    1963 BGS 8.5
    1964
    1965 PSA 9
    1966
    1967
    1968
    1969 PSA 9
    1970
    1971
    1972
    1973
    1974 PSA 9
    1975
    1976 PSA 10
    1977
    1978
    1979
    1980
    1981
    1982
    1983
    1984
    1985
    1986
    1987
    1988
    1989
    1990
    1991
    1992
    1993
    1994
    1995
    1996
    1997
    1998
    1999
    2000
    2001 BGS 9.5
    2002
    2003
    2004
    2005
    2006
    2007
    2008 BGS 9
    2009
    2010
    2011
    2012 PSA 9
    2013
    2014
    2015
    2016
    2017
    2018
    2019
    2020
    2021
    2022 PSA 10
    2023
    2024
    2025
    2026
    2027
    2028
    2029
    2030
    2031
    2032
    2033
    2034
    2035
    2036
    2037
    2038
    2039
    2040
    2041
    2042
    2043
    2044
    2045 BGS 9.5
    2046
    2047
    2048 BGS 9.5
    2049
    2050
    2051
    2052
    2053
    2054
    2055
    2056
    2057
    2058
    2059
    2060 PSA 10
    2061
    2062
    2063
    2064 CE 9
    2065
    2066
    2067
    2068
    2069
    2070 PSA 9/PSA 10
    2071
    2072
    2073
    2074
    2075
    2076
    2077
    2078
    2079
    2080
    2081
    2082
    2083
    2084
    2085
    2086 PSA 10
    2087
    2088
    2089
    2090 BGS 9.5
    2091 UNG
    2092
    2093
    2094 PSA 10
    2095 BGS 8.5
    2096
    2097
    2098 UNG
    2099
    2100
    2101
    2102
    2103 BGS 8.5
    2104
    2105
    2106
    2107 PSA 9
    2108
    2109
    2110
    2111
    2112
    2113
    2114
    2115
    2116
    2117
    2118
    2119 BGS 9
    2120
    2121
    2122
    2123
    2124
    2125
    2126
    2127
    2128
    2129
    2130
    2131 PSA 9
    2132
    2133
    2134 PSA 10
    2135
    2136
    2137
    2138 PSA 9
    2139
    2140
    2141
    2142 PSA 9
    2143
    2144 PSA 10
    2145 PSA 10
    2146 PSA 10
    2147
    2148
    2149
    2150
    2151
    2152
    2153
    2154
    2155
    2156
    2157
    2158
    2159
    2160
    2161
    2162
    2163
    2164
    2165
    2166
    2167
    2168
    2169
    2170
    2171
    2172
    2173
    2174
    2175
    2176 UNG
    2177
    2178
    2179
    2180
    2181
    2182
    2183
    2184
    2185
    2186
    2187
    2188
    2189
    2190
    2191
    2192
    2193
    2194
    2195
    2196
    2197
    2198
    2199 PSA 9
    2200
    2201
    2202
    2203
    2204
    2205
    2206
    2207 BGS 9.5
    2208
    2209
    2210
    2211 PSA 9
    2212
    2213
    2214
    2215
    2216
    2217
    2218
    2219
    2220
    2221
    2222
    2223
    2224
    2225
    2226
    2227
    2228
    2229
    2230
    2231
    2232
    2233
    2234
    2235
    2236
    2237
    2238
    2239 CTA 9
    2240
    2241 BGS 9.5
    2242
    2243 PSA 10
    2244
    2245
    2246
    2247
    2248
    2249
    2250
    2251
    2252
    2253
    2254
    2255 PSA 10
    2256 PSA 9
    2257
    2258
    2259
    2260 BGS 9
    2261 PSA 9
    2262
    2263
    2264
    2265 PSA 10
    2266
    2267
    2268
    2269
    2270
    2271
    2272
    2273
    2274
    2275
    2276
    2277
    2278
    2279
    2280
    2281
    2282
    2283
    2284
    2285
    2286
    2287
    2288
    2289
    2290 PSA 10
    2291
    2292
    2293
    2294 UNG
    2295
    2296 UNG
    2297
    2298
    2299 BGS 9.5
    2300
    2301 BGS 9
    2302 PSA 10
    2303 PSA 10
    2304
    2305 UNG
    2306 BGS 9
    2307
    2308
    2309
    2310 BGS 8.5
    2311
    2312
    2313 BGS 9.5
    2314
    2315
    2316 PSA 10
    2317
    2318
    2319
    2320 UNG
    2321
    2322
    2323
    2324
    2325
    2326
    2327
    2328
    2329
    2330
    2331
    2332
    2333
    2334 BGS 9
    2335
    2336
    2337
    2338
    2339
    2340
    2341
    2342
    2343
    2344
    2345
    2346
    2347
    2348 PSA 10
    2349
    2350
    2351 BGS 9.5
    2352
    2353
    2354
    2355
    2356
    2357 BGS 9.5
    2358
    2359
    2360
    2361
    2362
    2363
    2364
    2365
    2366
    2367
    2368 PSA 9
    2369
    2370
    2371
    2372
    2373 UNG
    2374
    2375
    2376
    2377 PSA 9
    2378
    2379
    2380
    2381
    2382
    2383
    2384
    2385
    2386
    2387
    2388
    2389 UNG/ BGS 9
    2390
    2391
    2392
    2393
    2394
    2395
    2396 BGS 8/UNG
    2397
    2398
    2399
    2400
    2401
    2402 PSA 10
    2403
    2404
    2405
    2406
    2407
    2408
    2409
    2410
    2411
    2412
    2413
    2414 PSA 10
    2415
    2416
    2417
    2418
    2419
    2420
    2421
    2422
    2423
    2424
    2425
    2426
    2427
    2428
    2429
    2430
    2431 SGC 96
    2432
    2433
    2434
    2435
    2436
    2437
    2438
    2439
    2440
    2441
    2442
    2443
    2444
    2445
    2446
    2447
    2448
    2449 UNG
    2450
    2451 PSA 9
    2452
    2453
    2454
    2455
    2456
    2457
    2458
    2459
    2460 PSA 9
    2461
    2462
    2463
    2464
    2465
    2466
    2467
    2468
    2469
    2470
    2471
    2472 PSA 9
    2473
    2474
    2475
    2476
    2477
    2478 PSA 9
    2479
    2480
    2481
    2482
    2483
    2484
    2485
    2486
    2487
    2488
    2489
    2490
    2491
    2492
    2493
    2494
    2495
    2496
    2497
    2498
    2499
    2500
    2501 PSA 9
    2502
    2503
    2504 BGS 9
    2505
    2506 PSA 10
    2507
    2508
    2509 BGS 9
    2510
    2511
    2512
    2513 BGS 9.5
    2514
    2515
    2516
    2517
    2518
    2519
    2520
    2521
    2522
    2523
    2524
    2525
    2526
    2527
    2528
    2529
    2530
    2531 BGS 9
    2532
    2533
    2534
    2535
    2536
    2537
    2538 PSA 10
    2539
    2540
    2541
    2542
    2543
    2544
    2545
    2546
    2547
    2548
    2549
    2550
    2551
    2552
    2553
    2554
    2555
    2556
    2557
    2558
    2559 BGS 9.5
    2560
    2561
    2562
    2563
    2564
    2565
    2566
    2567
    2568
    2569
    2570
    2571 PSA 10
    2572
    2573
    2574
    2575
    2576
    2577
    2578
    2579
    2580 UNG
    2581
    2582
    2583
    2584
    2585
    2586
    2587
    2588
    2589
    2590
    2591
    2592
    2593
    2594 CE 10
    2595
    2596 BGS 9
    2597
    2598
    2599
    2600
    2601
    2602
    2603
    2604
    2605
    2606
    2607 UNG
    2608
    2609 PSA 9
    2610
    2611
    2612 BGS 9.5
    2613
    2614
    2615
    2616
    2617
    2618
    2619
    2620
    2621
    2622
    2623
    2624
    2625
    2626
    2627
    2628
    2629
    2630 PSA 9
    2631
    2632
    2633
    2634 BGS 8.5/BGS 9.5
    2635
    2636
    2637
    2638
    2639
    2640 PSA 8/ BGS 9.5
    2641 PSA 8
    2642
    2643
    2644
    2645
    2646
    2647
    2648
    2649
    2650
    2651
    2652
    2653
    2654
    2655
    2656
    2657
    2658
    2659
    2660
    2661
    2662
    2663
    2664
    2665
    2666
    2667
    2668
    2669
    2670 UNG
    2671
    2672
    2673
    2674
    2675
    2676
    2677
    2678
    2679
    2680
    2681
    2682
    2683
    2684
    2685
    2686
    2687
    2688
    2689
    2690 PSA 9/ PSA 10
    2691
    2692
    2693
    2694
    2695
    2696
    2697
    2698
    2699
    2700 BGS 8.5
    2701
    2702
    2703
    2704
    2705
    2706 BGS 9.5
    2707
    2708
    2709
    2710
    2711
    2712
    2713 BGS 9.5
    2714
    2715
    2716 PSA 9
    2717
    2718
    2719
    2720
    2721 PSA 9/PSA 10
    2722
    2723
    2724
    2725
    2726
    2727
    2728
    2729
    2730
    2731
    2732 BGS 9.5
    2733
    2734
    2735
    2736
    2737 BGS 9.5
    2738
    2739 BGS 9.5
    2740
    2741
    2742 UNG
    2743
    2744 BGS 9/ GAI 9.5
    2745
    2746
    2747
    2748 BGS 9.5
    2749
    2750
    2751
    2752 PSA 9 / BGS 9
    2753
    2754
    2755
    2756
    2757
    2758
    2759
    2760
    2761
    2762
    2763
    2764
    2765 PSA 9
    2766
    2767
    2768
    2769 PSA 9
    2770
    2771
    2772
    2773
    2774
    2775
    2776
    2777
    2778
    2779 PSA 9
    2780
    2781
    2782
    2783
    2784
    2785
    2786 PSA 9
    2787
    2788
    2789
    2790
    2791
    2792 PSA 10
    2793
    2794
    2795
    2796
    2797
    2798
    2799 BGS 9
    2800
    2801 PSA 9
    2802
    2803
    2804
    2805
    2806
    2807
    2808
    2809
    2810
    2811 UNG/BGS 9.5
    2812
    2813 BGS 9.5
    2814
    2815
    2816 BGS 9/ BGS 10
    2817
    2818 BGS 8.5
    2819
    2820
    2821
    2822
    2823 PSA 10
    2824
    2825
    2826
    2827
    2828 PSA 9/ BGS 9.5
    2829
    2830
    2831
    2832
    2833
    2834
    2835
    2836
    2837
    2838
    2839
    2840
    2841 PSA 10
    2842
    2843
    2844 PSA 9
    2845
    2846
    2847
    2848
    2849
    2850
    2851
    2852 BGS 9.5
    2853
    2854
    2855
    2856 PSA 9
    2857
    2858
    2859
    2860
    2861
    2862
    2863
    2864
    2865
    2866
    2867
    2868
    2869 PSA 9
    2870
    2871
    2872
    2873
    2874 PSA 9
    2875
    2876
    2877 PSA 9
    2878
    2879
    2880
    2881
    2882
    2883
    2884
    2885
    2886
    2887
    2888
    2889
    2890
    2891
    2892
    2893
    2894
    2895
    2896
    2897
    2898
    2899
    2900 PSA 9 HN
    2901
    2902
    2903
    2904 PSA 10/BGS 9.5
    2905
    2906
    2907
    2908 PSA 10
    2909
    2910
    2911
    2912
    2913
    2914
    2915
    2916
    2917
    2918
    2919
    2920
    2921
    2922
    2923
    2924 PSA 10
    2925
    2926
    2927
    2928
    2929
    2930 PSA 9/BGS 9.5
    2931
    2932
    2933
    2934
    2935
    2936 PSA 9
    2937
    2938
    2939
    2940
    2941
    2942 PSA 9, PSA 10*
    2943
    2944
    2945
    2946
    2947
    2948
    2949
    2950
    2951
    2952
    2953
    2954
    2955 PSA 10
    2956
    2957
    2958
    2959
    2960
    2961
    2962
    2963
    2964
    2965
    2966
    2967
    2968
    2969
    2970
    2971
    2972
    2973
    2974
    2975
    2976 BGS 8.5
    2977
    2978
    2979
    2980
    2981
    2982
    2983
    2984
    2985
    2986
    2987
    2988
    2989
    2990
    2991
    2992
    2993 UNG
    2994 UNG
    2995
    2996
    2997
    2998
    2999
    3000 UNG
    3001
    3002
    3003
    3004
    3005
    3006
    3007
    3008
    3009
    3010
    3011
    3012
    3013
    3014
    3015
    3016
    3017
    3018
    3019
    3020 BGS 9/ PSA 10
    3021
    3022
    3023
    3024
    3025
    3026 PSA 10
    3027
    3028 PSA 9 / PSA 10
    3029
    3030
    3031
    3032
    3033
    3034 PSA 10
    3035
    3036
    3037
    3038
    3039 KSA 10/PSA 10
    3040
    3041
    3042
    3043
    3044
    3045
    3046 KSA 8.5
    3047
    3048
    3049
    3050
    3051
    3052
    3053
    3054
    3055
    3056
    3057
    3058
    3059
    3060
    3061
    3062
    3063
    3064
    3065 PSA 9
    3066 PSA 9
    3067
    3068
    3069
    3070
    3071
    3072
    3073
    3074
    3075
    3076
    3077
    3078
    3079 UNG/PSA 9
    3080
    3081
    3082
    3083
    3084
    3085
    3086
    3087
    3088
    3089
    3090
    3091
    3092
    3093
    3094
    3095 PSA 10
    3096
    3097
    3098 PSA 10
    3099
    3100
    3101
    3102
    3103
    3104
    3105
    3106
    3107
    3108 BGS 9
    3109
    3110
    3111
    3112
    3113
    3114
    3115
    3116
    3117
    3118
    3119
    3120
    3121
    3122
    3123 PSA 10
    3124
    3125 BGS 9.5
    3126
    3127
    3128
    3129
    3130
    3131
    3132
    3133
    3134 BGS 9.5
    3135 BGS 9.5
    3136
    3137 PSA 9
    3138
    3139
    3140 PSA 10
    3141 PSA 9
    3142
    3143
    3144
    3145
    3146
    3147 BGS 9.5
    3148
    3149
    3150
    3151
    3152
    3153
    3154
    3155
    3156
    3157
    3158
    3159
    3160
    3161
    3162
    3163
    3164
    3165
    3166 PRO 10
    3167 PSA 9 HN
    3168
    3169
    3170
    3171
    3172
    3173
    3174
    3175
    3176
    3177
    3178
    3179 PSA 9/ PSA 10
    3180 UNG
    3181 PSA 10
    3182
    3183
    3184
    3185
    3186
    3187
    3188
    3189
    3190
    3191
    3192 PSA 9
    3193
    3194
    3195 BGS 9
    3196
    3197
    3198
    3199
    3200
    3201
    3202
    3203
    3204
    3205
    3206
    3207
    3208
    3209
    3210
    3211 BGS 9.5
    3212
    3213 UNG/PSA 9
    3214
    3215
    3216
    3217
    3218
    3219
    3220
    3221
    3222
    3223
    3224
    3225
    3226
    3227 PRO 9.5
    3228
    3229
    3230
    3231 PSA 9
    3232
    3233
    3234
    3235
    3236
    3237
    3238 PSA 10
    3239
    3240
    3241
    3242
    3243
    3244
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    3247
    3248
    3249
    3250
    3251
    3252
    3253
    3254
    3255
    3256
    3257
    3258
    3259 PSA 10
    3260
    3261
    3262
    3263
    3264
    3265
    3266 BGS 9.5
    3267
    3268
    3269
    3270
    3271 UNG
    3272
    3273
    3274
    3275 PSA 10
    3276
    3277
    3278
    3279
    3280
    3281
    3282
    3283
    3284
    3285 PSA 9
    3286 PSA 9
    3287 BGS 9.5
    3288
    3289
    3290
    3291
    3292
    3293
    3294
    3295
    3296
    3297 BGS 9.5
    3298 BGS 8.5/BGS 9
    3299
    3300 BGS 9.5
    3301
    3302
    3303
    3304 PSA 8
    3305
    3306
    3307 PSA 10
    3308
    3309
    3310
    3311
    3312
    3313
    3314 PSA 9
    3315
    3316 BGS 9.5
    3317
    3318
    3319
    3320
    3321
    3322 BGS 9
    3323
    3324
    3325
    3326
    3327
    3328
    3329 BGS 9
    3330
    3331
    3332
    3333
    3334 PSA 8 UNG
    3335 PRO 10
    3336
    3337
    3338
    3339
    3340 PSA 9
    3341
    3342
    3343
    3344
    3345
    3346
    3347
    3348
    3349
    3350 BGS 8/ BGS 9.5
    3351
    3352
    3353
    3354
    3355
    3356
    3357
    3358 PSA 10
    3359 PSA 10
    3360
    3361
    3362
    3363
    3364
    3365
    3366
    3367 BGS 9.5
    3368
    3369
    3370
    3371
    3372
    3373
    3374
    3375
    3376
    3377
    3378
    3379
    3380
    3381
    3382
    3383
    3384
    3385
    3386
    3387
    3388
    3389
    3390 PSA 9
    3391
    3392
    3393
    3394
    3395
    3396
    3397
    3398
    3399
    3400
    3401
    3402
    3403
    3404
    3405 PSA 9
    3406
    3407
    3408
    3409
    3410
    3411
    3412
    3413
    3414
    3415
    3416 BGS 9
    3417
    3418
    3419
    3420
    3421
    3422
    3423
    3424
    3425
    3426
    3427
    3428
    3429
    3430
    3431
    3432
    3433
    3434
    3435
    3436
    3437
    3438
    3439
    3440
    3441
    3442 BGS 9.5
    3443
    3444 PSA 10
    3445 BGS 9.5
    3446 PSA 10
    3447
    3448
    3449
    3450
    3451
    3452
    3453
    3454
    3455
    3456
    3457 BGS 9
    3458
    3459 PSA 9
    3460
    3461
    3462
    3463
    3464
    3465
    3466
    3467 BGS 9.5
    3468
    3469
    3470
    3471
    3472
    3473
    3474
    3475
    3476
    3477
    3478
    3479
    3480
    3481
    3482
    3483
    3484 PSA 10
    3485
    3486
    3487
    3488
    3489
    3490
    3491
    3492
    3493
    3494
    3495
    3496
    3497 BGS 9.5
    3498
    3499
    3500
    CB4
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    is that really something worth keeping track of?

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    EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    Interesting file. Some jump up 2 grades, some from a grade to ungradable (trimmed job), etc.

    I also remembered the 15/3500 in PSA 10 bouncing back and forth all over the place from $1,500 to $3,500.....must have gone thru 5 or 6 different sellers trying to resell for a quick profit. Didn't realize that it was PSA 9 first by your file. Too damn funny; but sick for the person who owns it now. Might have been trimmed to make it look better and slipped thru ala a "10".

    BTW VC, are you trying to purchase all 3500 produced? Hence the file.
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    It was something that at the time was really worth wile for me. I was buying and selling these cards. At the peak I was getting $3300-3500 for BGS 9.5's and I wanted to keep track of the big dealer who were scooping up PSA 9's and BGS 9's and regrading for higher grades. dslsports was one of them who got a PSA 8 to jump up to a PSA 10.

    Is it really worth keeping track of now? Nah....Vince didn't pan out to be the "Next Jordan" and these cards have fallen in value. It's just interesting to finally see the "BGS 10 Pristine" since that card would have made huge money in the day.
    CB4
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    joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    come on all, do we really think that grading is an exact science?? that is why people resubmit. You don't think
    you own any cards in your collection that were once a lower grade? Think again!

    JS
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    Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,351 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You don't think
    you own any cards in your collection that were once a lower grade? Think again! >>


    Kevin
    I think I got a lot of them!
    BTW, this may be a record - the amount of threads touched in one day may be an all time low.
    Maybe what we need is a good old fashioned seance but in this case we will see if we
    can contact the living!

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    Mike
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    joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    Im out of town right now, but when I get back this place will be hopping....I smell football season too! Ahhh we
    are just getting warmed up!

    Kevin
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    To answer your question, how does a BGS 9 become a 10?

    The answer is as obvious now as it was when Mark Prior's card became a 10.

    The secret????

    The answer, finally revealed:


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    THE MAGIC WAND, OF COURSE !!!!

    Just why is Harry Potter so popular?

    Ever see what he does in his spare time when he pulls out the Bowman chrome?

    Here again, the method:

    Abby Willowroot - Real Magic Wands

    "Willowroot ~ Real Magic Wands" are created from the finest materials and carefully crafted with positive intention. Abby is always aware that she is not just making an object, she is making a Magic Wand! . . . maybe Your Wand.

    All of the stones she uses are cleansed and "smudged". All of her Wands are Blessed upon completion.

    For over 30 years Abby Willowroot has been creating sacred imagery for the Metaphysical community. That experience and the insight it brings have been woven into these amazing Tools of Transformation.

    Abby first began creating Magic Wands in the early 1980's and showed them at the California Renaissance Pleasure Faires. The following for her beautiful "one of a kind" Wands grew and grew. Time limited the number of Wands that could be made and the demand quickly outweighed the supply.

    Now, a select edition of Abby's Wands are available for those who want the magic and artistry, but prefer a more economically valued wand.

    Especially great for card trimming!!!!!



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    JackWESQJackWESQ Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭
    Vincecarder,
    I saw this auction for a 1998 SP Authentic Vince Carter BGS 10 and thought of you. Here is the link:

    1998 SP Authentic Vince Carter BGS 10

    I know it is not an auction, but just a Buy-It-Now price of $899.99. You mention that this card could have easily cracked
    $15K back yonder. To be sure, I can't believe how this card has depreciated in value. Amazing! A quick of ebay's completed
    auctions shows a BGS 10 (item number 140004089243) sold for $595.00. I'd love to hear your comments.

    /s/ JackWESQ
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