Question for the type collectors...

ccrdragon

When putting together a type-set, would you consider a change in the portrait on the obverse of the coin to be a new type? How about a change to the design on the reverse of the coin? Or would you only consider these to be a variety of the same type?

I know what my answer to the above is and I will discuss it later after I get some input from the other members...

syraq

I think everybody makes his own rules, depending on what he's working at and how inclusive he wants it to be.


Personally, yes, I consider slight changes in the legends, design ,size and metal as significant , but there aren't that many types to begin with in my main collecting project .

spinaker2000

you might as well add them, you will eventually anyway. Now die varieties are another story. I don't include those. There has got to be an end to it somewhere.

laurentyvan

They may or may not be considered a different type, but most collectors I know will consider them to be at least a variety of the type and include them in their collections.

you might as well add them, you will eventually anyway.

Couldn't agree more.

kuhli

I consider the change in portraits to be a change in type. Some coinage is even distinguished by the various portraits. British Victorian coppers are refered to as "young head", "jubilee head", "veiled head" etc. Canadian coinage of Elizabeth II are refered to as "Machin portrait", "Rank-Broadley portrait", and "the new effigy" etc.

AuldFartte

Those changes would both be a new "type" to me.

ccrdragon

So far, I come in on the same side as everybody else who has posted here - they are different types and not varieties.

The reason that I asked the question is that I am laying out the list of coins for my most ambitious project yet and I know what I want to include, but I was curious about what other people thought. Since I am done with the Jersey pre-decimals and almost done with the Guernsey and South African sets, I have decided to do the following:

20th Century Copper (and Bronze) Type Set for the African Continent.

After 3 passes thru the Krause and leaving out Egypt and Morrocco (until I figure out the date systems), the set will contain at least 260 coins (that should keep me busy for awhile), and probably closer to 300 once I include those other 2 countries, so if you guys have anything that fits into this grouping (hint hint hint) please let me know!


And Bill - I never worry about die varieties - I don't have the time or the patience to be that geeky in my pusuit of coins.

Sylvestius

<< <i>"Rank-Broadley portrait" >>



ahem...

Also Geo II young, intermediate and old heads respectively. Intermiediate on gold only.

satootoko

<< <i>When putting together a type-set, would you consider a change in the portrait on the obverse of the coin to be a new type? How about a change to the design on the reverse of the coin? Or would you only consider these to be a variety of the same type? >>

That's just another version of the question "Should I collect what I like, or what someone else tells me to?"

Even the experts don't agree. For example, Yeoman/Krause assign different numbers to otherwise identical Japanese coins when a change occurs in the regnal name of the Emperor, and even for the one-year types at the beginning of each reign when the character for "first" is used instead of the character for the numeral "1". The Japanese Numismatic Dealers Association, however, ignores changes in the dating information. In the Yeoman/Krause system the currently issued ¥10 piece has 4 numbers - 73 is the reeded edge coin dated Showa 26-33; 73a is the plain edge coin dated Showa 34-64, 97.1 is the coin dated Heisei Gan (first), and 97.2 is the same coin dated Heisei 2-present. In the JNDA system the reeded edge is 02-8 and the others are all 02-9.

Bruce

I don't truly collect "types" I have a dabbling of type coins from the U.S. My thrust is world coins, one per country. I know the "purists" in type collecting seem to say that any change is a new type.

But, it all boils down to you collect what pleases you and what you want to collect, not what others think you should collect.

boz

<< <i>would you consider a change in the portrait on the obverse of the coin to be a new type? >>



Yes