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Anyone have a 17th century Krause handy - 1647 1/16 Thaler

Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
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Could someone check the info on this coin:


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    tbirde56tbirde56 Posts: 2,161
    Looks like a silver 1/16 thaler of the north German state of Holstein-Gottorp. It's not listed in the '99 2nd edition as it only goes back to 1661for that denomination. Those later dates of similar design start at $20 in VG, $40 in F and $65 in VF.
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    kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    Is there a Krause that covers the 16th Century?????
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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There isn't a Krause that covers the 16th Century but I heard rumors they may come out with one.

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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Brad!
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    AskariAskari Posts: 3,713 ✭
    It's been rumored for several years now, but Krause seems to be more focused on fixing their not-inconsiderable problems with their modern World Coins catalog. That's probably prudent, given how little resources the great catalog publishing house of Krause allocates to its numismatic publications. After they get that volume "new and improved" enough, I imagine they'll start doing the same to the other volumes. I don't expect to see a 16th century volume come out for a very long time. image
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    eric1509eric1509 Posts: 76
    Hello Steve!

    Nice coin! I have the same one! image See pictures below


    It is a "16 Schilling" and the person is "Friedrich III" of "Schleswig-Holstein Gottorp"

    Text: "FRIDERICUS . D . G . H.N.D.S.E.H" / "VIRTVT:GLORIA:MERC" / "XVI / I REIC / HS DA / M X M"


    But it is not King "Frederik III of Denmark" (King 1648 - 1670)


    The Mintmark is from Glückstadt in north Germany

    Link

    Sorry but I dont know the actual value of this coin.

    Wishes

    Eric



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    eric1509eric1509 Posts: 76
    Here comes the second picture:

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    1jester1jester Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭
    Nice coins, Eric!

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    MadMuffinMadMuffin Posts: 468 ✭
    It is in fact the same Frederick as the Danish king, but he did not possess Schlesvig-Holstein-Gottop as the king of Denmark. As I recall he was a duke or a prince or something down there - the area was not considered part of Denmark, but Danish collectors still have an interest in it. The coin is scarce, but not impossible to find. I have seen a few of them myself. The exact value, however, I am not sure about.

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    eric1509eric1509 Posts: 76
    Hello!

    1jester: Thanks! image


    Mad Muffin:

    Hm, I can not agree with you. You say Frederik III of Denmark is the same as Friedrich III?
    I have added a link to a danish "Family tree". After that I would say they have been in family together (longer ago)
    but they are two different. Frederik died 1670 and Friedrich died 1659.
    By the way, this site is really good! Mostly only in Danish, but also parts in German and English!
    King Frederik made also coins from mintmark Glückstadt after 1657 and for Bremen and Verden in the area 1641 - 43.
    See "Sieg´s Møntkatalog Danmark fra 1533"

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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Eric, the links are interesting, but I wish I knew Danish.
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    eric1509eric1509 Posts: 76
    Hi Steve!

    There is also a little bit in English on this site!

    Link

    Are you collecting coins from this area?

    By the way I saw in your profile that you live in Hicksville!?
    Last year on our trip throu USA and Canada we stayed some days in Hicksville, Long Island!
    Funny!

    Best wishes

    Eric

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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Hicksville, Long Island

    Yes, that's the place, I guess it is a small world.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
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