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SGC graded cards in the Mastronet Auction....how did they do?

waitiltheytrytobuywaitiltheytrytobuy Posts: 41
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In this auction many of the SGC cards sold for very strong prices and some even set some impressive public auction records -- regardless of holder. Here are some examples :

lot 976 1887 Old Judge Gillepsie SGC 10 $52,239
lot 981 1887 Old Judge Donahue SGC 10 $52,239
lot 1014 1909 T206 Ty Cobb with Cobb back SGC 20 $41,515
lot 1020 1911 T208 Cullivan's Fireside Home Run Baker SGC 50 $12,863
lot 1021 1909 E102 Mathewson SGC 70 $4281
lot 1031 1910 E 93 Hal Chase SGC 88 $4495 (SMR is only $600 so that works out to 749% of SMR)
lot 1509 1933 Goudey #181 Babe Ruth SGC 80 $8437 (SMR is $3900 so that works out to 216% of SMR)
lot 1542 1933 Goudey Moe Berg SGC 96 $7588 (SMR = $3200)
lot 2103 1935 National Chicle #4 Matesic SGC 88 $2789 (SMR = $575)
lot 2101 1935 National Chicle MacMurdo SGC 96 $7590 (SMR = $4000)


Here are some examples of half grades (8.5) selling for more than the SMR 8 price:

lot 1498 1915 Cracker Jack Cicotte SGC 92 $4158 (SMR 8 = $1700)
lot 1592 1941 Play Ball DiMaggio SGC 92 $16,002 (SMR 8= $9000. The last public sale of this card was Superior Sports Auctions. I believe it realized about $6000 in a PSA 8)
lot 1665 1954 Bowman #66 Williams SGC 92 $15,128 (SMR is $6000. This card routinely sells in NM-MT for $5500 to $7000).

Comments

  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    Unfortunately, SGC did not do nearly as well in direct comparables to PSA and GAI. There half grades in many cases did not sell for more. It is good to see that the Dimaggio and Williams half-grades at least got higher dollars than the half grade lower. Based on the other results they probably would have realized even more in the GAI half-grade.
  • waitiltheytrytobuywaitiltheytrytobuy Posts: 41


    << <i>Unfortunately, SGC did not do nearly as well in direct comparables to PSA and GAI. >>


    Based on direct comparisons found only in this auction?

    Meaningful, but only in a somewhat constricted way. Take a look at some of the other SGC prices and I think you'll see a very different picture. Then compare these prices to PSA cards in other recent auctions...even other Mastronet auctions. Any way you look at it, the SGC prices were impressive. And, as Murcerfan points out, many of the cards from the Egan collection were in SGC holders....no small significance there.

    Heck, even if you require ONLY direct comparisons in THIS auction for any sort of analysis to be deemed "valid", one still has to admit that the SMR was, if anything, a highwater mark for PSA graded cards. To that extent, the SGC prices, by comparison, were impressive.
  • EvilleKlownieEvilleKlownie Posts: 43 ✭
    Good to see SGC able to remain viable with their small share of the graded card market. Thank you for the update Michael.
  • COSTANZACOSTANZA Posts: 24
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    COSTANZA , you ever buy a gai 8.5 or are you just speculating? I have crossed several gai's to equal grades and gotten bumps on 1/2 grades. it all comes down to the card. nobody is perfect , not even psa .
  • z2345z2345 Posts: 92 ✭


    << <i>
    lot 976 1887 Old Judge Gillepsie SGC 10 $52,239
    lot 981 1887 Old Judge Donahue SGC 10 $52,239 >>




    What are these cards? They are rated poor condition only, but yet are both over $50K. Does anyone know why these cards are so expensive?
  • kehfeekehfee Posts: 53
    They're rare (very rare) issues in the Old Judge set. Lots of extremely rare cards and even some one of a kinds I believe. Nobody is sure how many Old Judge cards make up the set from that era.

    As for SGC. I find they do as well as PSA in graded T201's on Ebay. I have no qualms buying either.
    Collector of T201 Mecca double folders. Graded and Raw...
  • COSTANZACOSTANZA Posts: 24
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    hey Costanza , like I said , instead of just making staements give me some facts examples . tell me who you are , was it your orr rookie that you consigned to mastro which is why you are so confident?

    here are my facts , I have successfully crossed to psa every gai card that I have cracked or submitted to the same grade or higher. The ones that would not cross stayed in the gai holder and were either sold for more than I paid or I kept them becasue I paid a fraction of the PSA price and I wanted the card.

    tell me what I have to learn , I paid less than 3900 for the gai 8 orr rookie . The last psa 7 sold for 2700 and the last psa 8 to sell privately sold for 5500 and none have sold publicly in recent times. I paid 70% of the last psa 8 sale for the gai 8 orr. If the card crosses great , if it is not going to cross , it will stay in the gai holder and be well worth the money I paid for it.

    Now tell me what I have to learn you annonymous TROLL!!!!! Do the math and get your head out of your a$$ and maybe you will have some meaning in this world. Otherwise just shut up and leave us alone. You are the reason I don't post much on this board anymore, annonymous jack a$$ who make generic statements just to cause arguments.

    Oh yeah and If I am so damn foolish and have so much to learn , tell me why I have grown my collection by over $20k in the last year without spending a dime out of my pocket. So please shut up and GO AWAY or be a man and come forth and let us know who you are so at least we can put a face to your id , that's if we can pull your head out of your a$$ long enough to see it!!!!!!!!
  • COSTANZACOSTANZA Posts: 24
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    take note of your own words. keep believing the world is flat . from some of my recent purchases in psa holders , it is not a high priority to cross this card to psa . at least I am not hiding behind an annonymous id you useless troll
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    One way to gauge whether someone walks the walk ... in other words, whether he's been been there, done that, and has some knowledge to back up the talk ... is to look at his collection. The PSA Registry allows us to do just that. Anyone who has actually bought/graded a lot of vintage has more credibility in this kind of argument.

    Not that I'd want to be on either side of a p*ssing contest.
  • CON40CON40 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭
    Costanza;

    I always felt that the intent of posting on these threads was to impart one's knowledge for the benefit of fellow collectors. You seem to regard it is a pedestal for veiled attacks on fellow collectors under the guise of graded card company criticism. It is the ignorance and malevolence of nameless, faceless, cardless, clueless, gutless individuals such yourself that is driving away from this board the collectors that make up its backbone.

    By the way, your attitude (and intellignece) can probably be explained by the Tandy T1 computer in your avatar.
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭


    << <i>By the way, your attitude (and intellignece) can probably be explained by the Tandy T1 computer in your avatar. >>


    I thought that was a Commodore VIC-20 ... Man I loved those things. Talk about your vintage material!
  • RuthfanRuthfan Posts: 185
    Pack Collector

    Costanza, is nothing but a gutless wimp who can only come on here and spew from the mouth without having any hard facts to backup any of it. While growing up he was probably the kid in the neighborhood that got his a$$ kicked on a daily basis.
  • gmoneystylesgmoneystyles Posts: 349 ✭✭
    SGC works for me. I stay to the '50 Bowman Baseball set, while I collect PSA 7's when I see a SGC 84 i'll buy it over a 7 anyday. I can also get 84's cheaper than PSA and even get a superior card (what I believe anyways) in an 86 for the same price as a 7. SGC has staying power as well they are one of the best coin graders in the market as well as have a good grip on the comic book grading as well. Lets face it, the holders frame the card much better as well. Dont get me wrong I still love PSA but SGC works for me and its good to see there is some good sale prices coming out of them. With regard to the Old Judge issue the former post was correct there are several cards out there that a 1 of 2 or 1 of a kind. With regard to SGC I notice they sell at a premium to PSA for the thirtys and below, just a general feeling though having been around the block and having witnessed countless auctions over the years. Not much new here though I really thought all this was self evident at least two years ago with regard to SGC sale prices and pre war issues.
    Now looking for a 1950 Bowman Baseball Box as pictured below.
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  • kehfeekehfee Posts: 53
    Yes when it comes to Tobacco SGC doesn't take a back seat to anybody. Their holders really make the card look nice, and when it comes to cards like T206's its nice to see them acknowledge the different backs and variations on their labels.

    I think every tobacco card I've sold in an SGC holder has went for a premium over SMR.
    Collector of T201 Mecca double folders. Graded and Raw...
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    I think that Old Judge California League, T206 Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb back and T208 Firesides would sell for huge premiums as long as it was PSA, SGC or GAI. As for Moe Berg - I'm seeming to remember other Berg cards in other holders that have also sold for significantly premiums to SMR is 2004.
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • savemoneycardssavemoneycards Posts: 31
    Where do you think I should send these Old Judge cards from 1887 and 1888 in? PSA or SGC.
    It seams like most of the ones i see are graded by SGC is there a reason for that?
    Thanks for any info.

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  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭
    I agree that the tobacco cards look better in SGC holders with the black inserts.
    PSA uses those lousy mylar bags sometimes and IMO, it looks horrible and may not hold the card securely enough.
  • 67standup67standup Posts: 833 ✭
    Darn, I chimed-in after many of the remarks were edited.
    “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
  • ping4u43ping4u43 Posts: 908
    Could Costanza possibly be Lou Costanza of So Cal. that maybe had something, I think to due with the National when it was held in Anaheim in 1991???
  • aloof1003aloof1003 Posts: 184 ✭
    who's lou costanza ? and i notice costanza's comments have been removed. i guess he had enough.image
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