1950 Pfennig date variety

tbirde56

Large and small dates on the W. German 1950 D 1 pfennig coin.
Does anyone know if this has been documented before or if there are other similar German varieties?

I scanned the coins side by side then moved the sections of dates together so they are the actual comparitive sizes.
Other details are slightly different as well like the curved or straight oak sprig stem.


My World Varieties Page.

Askari

Unfortunately, I've never collected the BRD coinage, so I'm not familiar with their die varieties. I vaguely seem to recall having heard about this a few years ago, but my tired, old brain can't seem to dredge it up.

MadMuffin

I have heard of the die varieties on the 1950 coinage but never actually seen the difference until now. So thank you for that! It's not so strange in my opinion that small varieties would occur given the fact that hundreds of millions of coins were minted in several different mints for the year 1950.

Marcel

tbirde56

Thanks guys! I don't actively go looking for varieties or errors but if I run across one unexpectedly I find them extremely interesting! Just like the recent IOM silver coin mystery.
I hope if someone runs across more info on this subject that they'll keep this thread in mind as I'd like to learn more about how widespread these German varieties may be. You'd think Krause would have at least put the 'Varieties Exist' note under the listings. Is there a German reference that makes note of them?

tbirde56

I found a little more info Alex Kuznetsov's 'Coin Temple' site where he lists/shows quite a few more German, and other countries' varieties. That is a site worth visiting for sure!

lordmarcovan

I've heard of and seen large and small mintmark varieties on 1950 coinage, but not dates. Interesting.

eric1509

Hello Brad!

Wow I´m really surprised about that what you wrote and the link to "Coin Temple".
I live in Germany and have collected coins long time, but have not heard about that before!?
My german coin catalog did not say anythink about this.
I have seen on the "new" mint "A" Berlin since 1990, that the coins looks a little bit different than from the other 4 mints in Germany.
But also about this I have never read anythink about!
Ok on the other side all 1950 coins are the first new german coins and they were made in a very high mintage,
I´m sure they have used many different stamps(?) to made them.
The 1, 5, 10, 50 Pfennig are made in the highest mintage in 1950!

Wishes

Eric

Askari

Wow!! I didn't know Alex had set this site up!

Severo

Hello everyone! Long time no see.

Brad, thank you for your letter. As I see it, this variety is not actually listed on my webpage since I have only found one date style for 1950-dated coins - must be identical to the left coin on your picture.

Askari - Ahem... the link has always been in my signature line

I must admit, however, that I haven't updated the webpage (aside from the doubles list) for a long time already. This summer is rather slow, coin-wise. I haven't visited the coin club as often as I used to since there aren't as many good sellers present, and there are very few new coins appearing on the market. I hope it'll get better in the autumn, as it usually does.

And by the way, I have actually discontinued collecting most date varieties, which made my collection thinner by some 137 coins, a lot of BRD coins among those. Therefore I don't think I will post or update any more detailed descriptions of date varieties on my webpage - however, other kinds of varieties will be posted and described... someday

One more thing about those date varieties: as I was dismissing them from my collection, I recorded those that are not published on my webpage. If anyone is interested, I can post the resulting document right here - might be useful to those looking for date varieties on world coinage.

Take care you all

tbirde56

Good to see you here again Alex! Don't be a stranger!
I'd be interested in seeing the document on the other varieties not on the web site.
How did you dispose of your varieties? I would have made you a deal on them.

Askari

Well, Alex, it's been a long time since I've seen a post of yours, much less your sig line. Glad to have you back from "yeti land."

Severo

Brad

I put the varieties into my doubles list; some are already gone, others are still waiting for a trade. I would gladly trade them with you, but I've already tried to send coins to the US twice, the first time they were returned to me, the second time they got lost. Both times the coins were sent by registered airmail and were hidden inside the envelope. I'm reluctant to risk any more coins that way and for the moment I don't see any other opportunity to deliver them to you.

Here are the varieties, listed by country. I hope it's comprehensive enough.

Brazil

5 centavos 1994 (KM#632) found with tall 1 in date
5 centavos 1995 (KM#632) found with short 1 in date

China, People’s Republic of

In addition to varieties posted,

1 fen 1986 (Y#1) found with a small date

1 jiao 1992 (Y#328) found with short, thin date
1 jiao 1993 (Y#328) found with short, thick date

1 yuan 1991 (Y#330) found with narrow date numerals
1 yuan 1997 (Y#330) found with wide date numerals

Colombia

10 centavos 1959 (KM#212.2) found with wide date numerals
10 centavos 1964 (KM#212.2) found with narrow date numerals

Czech Republic

10 haleru 1993, 95-97 (monogram mint mark) (KM#6) found with small mint mark
10 haleru 1995-96, 98-99, 2001 (monogram mint mark) (KM#6) found with large mint mark

50 haleru 1993-94, 96-97 (monogram mint mark) (KM#3) found with small mint mark
50 haleru 1999 (monogram mint mark) (KM#3) found with large mint mark

Denmark

20 kroner 1990 (KM#871) found with small “LG JP A” initials, small date
20 kroner 1991 (KM#871) found with large “LG JP A” initials, large date

Finland

50 pennia 1991, 93 (KM#66) found with small date
50 pennia 1990, 98 (KM#66) found with large date

France

½ franc 1976 (KM#931.1) found with wide date

20 francs 1992 (KM#1008.2) found with dolphin aligned closer to horizontal, wide outer ring
20 francs 1993 (KM#1008.2) found with dolphin aligned closer to vertical, narrow outer ring

1 euro cent 1999 (KM#1282) found with bee far from F letter
1 euro cent 2000 (KM#1282) found with bee closer to F letter

2 euro cent 1999 (KM#1283) found with cornucopia aligned closer to horizontal
2 euro cent 2000 (KM#1283) found with cornucopia aligned closer to vertical

5 euro cent 1999 (KM#1284) found with cornucopia aligned closer to vertical
5 euro cent 2000 (KM#1284) found with cornucopia aligned closer to horizontal

10 euro cent 1999 (KM#1285) found with cornucopia aligned closer to vertical
10 euro cent 2000 (KM#1285) found with cornucopia aligned closer to horizontal

20 euro cent 1999 (KM#1286) found with cornucopia aligned closer to vertical
20 euro cent 2000 (KM#1286) found with cornucopia aligned closer to horizontal

50 euro cent 1999 (KM#1287) found with cornucopia aligned closer to vertical
50 euro cent 2000 (KM#1287) found with cornucopia aligned closer to horizontal

Guatemala

25 centavos 1971 (KM#272) found with small date
25 centavos 1975 (KM#272) found with large date

Hungary, People’s Republic of

50 filler 1967 (KM#574) found with wide date
50 filler 1978 (KM#574) found with narrow date

Hungary, Republic of

5 forint 2000 (KM#694) found with wide date

India, British

1 anna 1942 (Calcutta mint) (KM#537a) found with small date
1 anna 1944 (Calcutta mint) (KM#537a) found with large date

India, Republic

2 naye paise 1957 (Calcutta mint) (KM#11) found with small date
2 naye paise 1963 (Calcutta mint) (KM#11) found with large date

5 naye paise 1957 (Bombay mint) (KM#16) found with small date
5 naye paise 1963 (Bombay mint) (KM#16) found with large date

3 paise 1964 (Bombay mint) (KM#14.1) found with high date
3 paise 1965 (Bombay mint) (KM#14.1) found with low date

5 paise 1968 (Bombay mint) (KM#18.3) found with rounded 9 in date
5 paise 1971 (Bombay mint) (KM#18.3) found with straight-tailed 9 in date

Iran

100 rials 1993 (KM#1261.2) found with large beads on obverse
100 rials 2001 (KM#1261.2) found with small beads on obverse

Israel

1 agorah 1963 (KM#24.1) found with high date
1 agorah 1973 (KM#24.1) found with low date

Italy

500 lire 1983-84, 86 (KM#111) found with high date, smaller 1 in date
500 lire 1988, 91 (KM#111) found with low, large date
500 lire 1995 (KM#111) found with high date, normal 1 in date

10 euro cent (KM#213) found with small “CM”
10 euro cent (KM#213) found with large “CM”

Kazakhstan

10 tenge 2000 (KM#25) found with small letters to the right of denomination
10 tenge 2002 (KM#25) found with large letters to the right of denomination

Korea (South)

50 won 1987 (KM#34) found with thin date
50 won 1997 (KM#34) found with thick date

Lithuania

10 centu 1997 (KM#106) found with thick obverse lettering
10 centu 1998 (KM#106) found with thin obverse lettering

Malaysia

1 sen 1995-1997, 1999-2000 (KM#49) found with small date
1 sen 2003 (KM#49) found with large date

20 sen 2001 (KM#52) found with thick lettering and denomination (possible result of die re-engraving)

New Zealand

10 cents 1987 (KM#61) found with short-tailed 9 in date
10 cents 1997 (KM#61) found with long-tailed 9 in date

Pakistan

5 paisa 1961 (KM#19) found with small date
5 paisa 1963 (KM#19) found with large date

Peru

10 centavos 1963 (KM#224.2) found with open 9 in date
10 centavos 1965 (KM#224.2) found with closed 9 in date

Poland, Republic of

1 grosz 1992 (Y#276) found with thick date
1 grosz 1998 (Y#276) found with thin date

2 grosze 1991 (Y#277) found with thick date
2 grosze 1992, 98, 2004 (Y#277) found with thin date

5 groszy 1990, 98 (Y#278) found with thin date
5 groszy 1991 (Y#278) found with thick date

20 groszy 1992 (Y#280) found with thick date
20 groszy 1996-97, 99-2000, 04 (Y#280) found with thin date

Slovakia

50 halierov 1996 (KM#35) found with small date with straight-tailed 9s, small mint mark
50 halierov 1996 (KM#35) found with large date with rounded 9s, large mint mark

10 korun 1993 (KM#11.1) found with flat obverse lettering, small mint mark
10 korun 1995 (KM#11.1) found with raised obverse lettering, large mint mark

Spain

10 euro cent 1999 (KM#1043) found with thin “Cervantes”
10 euro cent 2000-01 (KM#1043) found with thick “Cervantes”

Switzerland

1 rappen 1951 B (KM#46) found with split date (between the first and the second pair of digits)

10 rappen 1879-1969 B (KM#27) found with tall B mint mark
10 rappen 1986-2001 B (KM#27) found with wide B mint mark

20 rappen 1939-1969 B (KM#29a) found with tall B mint mark
20 rappen 1986-2002 B (KM#29a) found with wide B mint mark

USA

1 cent (Lincoln Memorial), 5 cents (Jefferson), 1 dime (Roosevelt), ¼ dollar (Washington): before 1985 found with small mint mark, 1985 and after – found with large mint mark

5 cents 1946 D, 57-58 D (mint mark on reverse) (KM#A192) found with large star before date
5 cents 1964 D (mint mark on reverse) (KM#A192) found with small star before date

5 cents 1980 D (mint mark on obverse) (KM#A192) found with small star before date
5 cents 1983 D (mint mark on obverse) (KM#A192) found with large star before date

Viet Nam, Socialist Republic

1 hao 1976 (KM#11) found with large and small star on obverse

Yugoslavia, Socialist Federal Republic

1 dinar 1982 (KM#86) found with small, short-tailed 9 in date
1 dinar 1983 (KM#86) found with large, long-tailed 9 in date

1jester

I'm just wondering, which die variety looks closer to the 1948 and 1949 pfennig?