No more bidding on Ebay
Buckwheat
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I have placed my last bid on a PSA 9 or 10 1961 Topps card that I need on Ebay. As you can see from my bid page linked below, I never win one, and all I do is set the sales price, because primeeagle always outbids me. Usually there is no one else even close.
So from now on, I will only buy from dealers directly. If they put the cards on Ebay, they will have to hope that someone else shows up to push Primeeagle higher. Otherwise, they will get much less money than I will pay them off of Ebay.
They could try to sell to Primeeagle directly, but he is very reluctant to buy that way, because he is afraid of "being taken advantage of" He knows that on Ebay, he will only have to pay what I or someone else thinks a card is worth.
Bids by vwc5
Look at August 9 auctions.
So from now on, I will only buy from dealers directly. If they put the cards on Ebay, they will have to hope that someone else shows up to push Primeeagle higher. Otherwise, they will get much less money than I will pay them off of Ebay.
They could try to sell to Primeeagle directly, but he is very reluctant to buy that way, because he is afraid of "being taken advantage of" He knows that on Ebay, he will only have to pay what I or someone else thinks a card is worth.
Bids by vwc5
Look at August 9 auctions.
Ole Doctor Buck of the Popes of Hell
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Steve
Steve - it looks like Buckwheat IS sniping at the last minute.
Feel for you Buckwheat,
but can't think of any solution other than waiting for primeeagle to run out of money.
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
Oops...my mistake
I can certainly relate to the feeling Buckwheat. Just tonight, I tried to snipe three different 1965 Topps PSA 8 Charger cards, and NONE of my snipes went through, due to other snipers
All I can do is reiterate what Paul (Wolfbear) said...wait 'til the others run out of money, or aren't looking for the same cards you're looking for
Steve
My only hope as I see it is to let dealers know that I will pay them very good prices for their cards, but will not bid on them on Ebay. There are a limited number of dealers who deal in mint cards like this.
I feel your pain, when I started going after the Nolan Ryan Master set, Keith(Con40) and I butted heads on almost every Nolan Ryan card that hit eBay. It got insanely expensive for both of us. I found recently that with some communication between Keith and I, we were able to agree on cards that each would go after and I would like to believe things got a little less expensive or at least we weren't nailing each other to the wall.
If its just you and PrimeEagle, see if you can take turns on available cards, the money each of you will save will be more than worth the effort. Otherwise I feel the only place your going to get the cards your looking for is off a Mastro/Mile High/Edwards/Leland auction, and I'll bet that will be more expensive than eBay. To go to an Ebay Dealer and ask him to sell cards offline, you will have to pay big time for that. Although I will admit that is a little speculation on my part.
Scott Jeanblanc
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Ebay UserId: sjeanblanc
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Collecting improvements to the Nolan Ryan Basic set
Otherwise trying to negotiate with the guy who's always outbidding you, and see what can come with that....must be awfully frustrating, too
Oh by the way I think we all have sympathy as all of us have been out bid on a card of passion but bottom line that is confidence in the hobby, and if you are like me there is always other cards. Sorry if I missed the main point but just wanted to convey my feelings of ebays auctions.
since your second place bids are the ones inflating the prices on ebay, it would be silly for a dealer to not list the card on ebay, but if you remove yourself from the bidding, dealers might take a bath a couple of times and then later on decide that the uncertanty is not worth it over the good solid price you are offering them.
or you might want to sale your house and just get nasty on ebay.
Groucho Marx
In this instance, you sure sound like a frustrated man pouting and threatening 61 sellers. Not very nice...
Live long and prosper.
I think on many hot issues Ebay has surpassed the prices asked by dealers we once considered to be "out of their focking gourds". Ebay has become impossible. At best, I'll catch a buy it now just as it comes on or I have no chance. There are some really deep pockets out there. Might pay to keep track of your nemesis' cards so you know what's open if it comes up. I used to pick up 1933 PSA Goudeys for reasonable prices. I haven't won an auction in a year. I'm often off by half of the closing price and I bid above book. Bleam's prices are below some of the selling prices on Ebay.
The thing I'm questioning is once this current crop finishes their sets, will there still be the same demand? I'm looking at some player sets now because I think Mays, Banks, Aaron, Gibson, Spahn and some others are very reasonable. A full set of Mays in PSA 7 costs almost nothing post-1955. If you buy PSA 6 cards for the 1951 & 1952 Bowman and 1952 - 1955 Topps, you can build something great while you wait for the 61s to cool off.
Hope you're feeling all better,
S.
that should work??
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
Are you just getting spanked on EBAY or does the same thing happen with other auction houses as well?
BTW - Your 1961 set is so phenomenal that it's almost hard to feel sorry for you...and I mean that as a compliment. There's probably a few people who feel the same frustration in bidding against you.
You would think that at some point these guys would run out of money that they're willing to throw at sportscards...but it's all relative I guess.
Good luck with your set.
Regards,
Alan
In regards to the strength of the market comments, those are true. But realize that on a lot of these cards, with SMR at $85---If I bid $250, the card wells for $260. If I bid $450, it sells for $460. So what is the market price???? It is what I bid plus 1 increment. This is not a matter of Ebay prices being out of control.
I will gladly pay any dealer the same price he pays. IF I don't bid, then the prices will fall significantly, which is what I will be doing.
<< <i>"If they put the cards on Ebay, they will have to hope that someone else shows up to push Primeeagle higher. Otherwise, they will get much less money than I will pay them off of Ebay. "
In this instance, you sure sound like a frustrated man pouting and threatening 61 sellers. Not very nice... >>
I agree about being frustrated and pouting. I don't agree abouh the threatening and not being nice. Sellers can sell to me at a very inflated price, or they can take their chances on Ebay. If I always bid what I would pay directly, then of course there is no incentive to sell to me. IF primeeagle were willing to pay dealers directly, then I would have no problem with his bids. However, he won't, because he is afraid of paying too much. Instead he depends on me and Frank and others to set the price on Ebay, which he gladly pays.
I don't see any way out of this box except to back off, and let the prices drop.
I understand the frustration completely - and the people saying your whining and complaining have evidently never tried to put together a true complete graded set before.
uhhh exsqueezeme?
You're dealing with a thinly traded market. In this case, Rob IS the market. Not everyone desires or can afford a PSA 10 1/1 of an entire 1961 Topps set. The heartburn occurs when a collector bids outrageously for every card (even when they already HAVE the card that they are bidding on). I would imagine that once you climb to the rarified heights of an almost PSA 9 MINT set, the climb gets frustrating. A complete PSA 8 1961 set is almost near impossible to assimilate...he's closing in on an entire magnitude jump. Rob has earned the right to a little whining and complaining.
Has anyone out there ever even come close to paying over $300 for a common from a 1978 set in psa 9?,
Sounds like you have. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night wondering about the supply that would flood the market on 1978's and drive the prices down. With 1961's, I would sleep a lot easier.
Regards,
Alan
<< <i>Rob, I have the same problem with the 1969's. If Dave Cryer needs the 9, I win 1 out of 20. >>
yes, but when he goes to sell his complete set he will only realize 75% of what he put into it and loose the time value of his money as well!
uhh, exqueeze yourself, i was defending his position not against it, and thinly traded market - have you recently searched for 1961 topps psa on ebay recently. Also, Rob IS the market for 61's, but he is not alone, look how many people have registered sets on the 61's.
and you evidently missed the point of the post
sounds like redsoxjeff..........I guess we all have a guy (I have a few of them) lol that are competing against one another for whatever set I happen to be working on and in whatever grade too. each market has its nuances. for better of worse.
Patience and good connections works for most ardent collectors. Good luck.
JIM S
<< <i>yes, but when he goes to sell his complete set he will only realize 75% of what he put into it and loose the time value of his money as well! >>
that sure is the truth!